This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting fact). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.
Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.
When will my nomination be reviewed?
This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first, it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions below). Because of WP:DYKTIMEOUT, a nomination should be reviewed within two months since the reviewer/promoter may agree to reject and close an unpromoted hook after that time has passed.
Where is my hook?
If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.
If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances. If your nomination was promoted, but it hasn't reached the main page after two weeks, you can also query this on the DYK discussion page.
Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For more information on the DYK rules and review processes, see the DYK guidelines and the reviewer instructions.
To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:
Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:
Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.
If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.
Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed.
Any outstanding issue following needs to be addressed before promoting.
Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed.
Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot.
Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated).
Hook should make sense grammatically.
Try to vary subject matters within each prep area.
Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set.
Steps to add a hook to prep
In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote.
In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
Wanna skip all this fuss? Install WP:PSHAW instead! Does most of the heavy lifting for ya :)
For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue.
Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number.
Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot.
Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end.
Check that there's a bold link to the article.
If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template.
Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom
Check your work in the prep's Preview mode.
At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake.
Save the Prep page.
Closing the DYK nomination page
At the upper left
Change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
Change |passed= to |passed=yes
At the bottom
Just above the line containing
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insert a new, separate line containing one of the following:
To [[TM:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
To [[TM:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
To [[TM:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
To [[TM:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
To [[TM:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
To [[TM:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
To [[TM:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]
Also paste the same thing into the edit summary.
Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom.
Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.
Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
View the edit history for that page
Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.
Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.
Overall: The article was 5x expanded and is long enough. Source verifies hook. No copyvio detected. Hook is interesting and cited. I don't see any issues here. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:47, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Myself, and I imagine I'm not alone, don't find hooks of the type '... that X worked at Y, when they did Z?' to be interesting. Is there nothing more interesting that can be said of the subject? TarnishedPathtalk06:39, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. It's hooky when there's an odd or amusing throughline between the things, but just working someplace basic isn't interesting, especially since Olympians are supposed to be amateurs anyway. ♠PMC♠ (talk)02:58, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Qla', a ruin located in the Samarian highlands of what is now the West Bank, was a royal production center of the Kingdom of Israel in the 8th century BCE?
Source: Eitam, David; Lederman, Zvi; Kleiman, Assaf (2024-01-02). "Qlaʿ: A Royal Oil- and Wine-Production Centre in the Kingdom of Israel". Tel Aviv. 51 (1): 18–19. doi:10.1080/03344355.2024.2327798. ISSN 0334-4355.
ALT1: ... that in the 8th century BCE, the Kingdom of Israel operated a royal production center at Qla', a site in today's West Bank? Source: Eitam, David; Lederman, Zvi; Kleiman, Assaf (2024-01-02). "Qlaʿ: A Royal Oil- and Wine-Production Centre in the Kingdom of Israel". Tel Aviv. 51 (1): 18–19. doi:10.1080/03344355.2024.2327798. ISSN 0334-4355.
ALT2: ... that Qla', located in what is now the West Bank, was a royal center for olive oil and wine production in the Kingdom of Israel during the 8th century BCE? Source: Eitam, David; Lederman, Zvi; Kleiman, Assaf (2024-01-02). "Qlaʿ: A Royal Oil- and Wine-Production Centre in the Kingdom of Israel". Tel Aviv. 51 (1): 18–19. doi:10.1080/03344355.2024.2327798. ISSN 0334-4355.
Reviewed:
Created by ADeeperUnderstanding (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
It was my understanding that an article relying largely on one source was cause enough to deserve the template regardless of accuracy or neutrality. Bar an alternate name and a bullet point, the whole article is sourced to Eitam et al.--Launchballer14:19, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see that the documentation says "Consider not adding this tag to [among other things] articles that have no apparent problems with verifiability and neutrality." I think the template should be reworded to reflect that. I do now notice that Eitam himself was the excavator, so I suspect this might actually deserve {{primary sources}}, but I'll let a reviewer adjudicate on whether it does (especially given what happened at the Xeokit nom).--Launchballer14:44, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Dan Pashman spent three years working on a new pasta shape which he called Cascatelli (pictured), after the Italian word for waterfall?
Source: "Add cascatelli — inspired by the Italian word for waterfall, cascata — to your pasta vocabulary and your pantry. This new pasta shape was invented after three years of research and development by Dan Pashman, the host of the podcast The Sporkful, with the expertise of Sfoglini, a pasta company based in West Coxsackie, N.Y., in the Hudson Valley. The creation story has been documented on Mr. Pashman’s podcast as “Mission: Impastable.” He insisted on a shape that could be speared with a fork, and that would hold sauce well and have a proper bite. Traditionally extruded pasta shapes are made by forcing the dough through a die; a new, high-quality bronze die was made for cascatelli. The shape is a bit larger than most short pastas, but it’s very good, especially for simpler, less ingredient-heavy sauces like marinara, carbonara, pesto and arrabbiata."
New enough: - No, Dan Pashman was expanded from 127 words (or generously outside the 7 day from 83 words) to 291 words in the last 7 days. Not fivefold.
Ah! I missed that you moved it from a draft space I just checked the bottom of the page. I'm a new reviewer. Won't make that mistake again! Thanks for pointing this out!
Was hoping this was a simple case of using the DYK checker tool as I get practice with this. I think this hook is good, but maybe the tag on the page still needs to resolved before it's approved. I'm sure a more senior reviewer can take a look. - SquawkGuard (talk) 05:19, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The {{bare urls}} tag wasn't valid. You do have multiple references missing publishers and accessdates, and please fix those anyway, but this isn't technically a DYK criterion. Neither is the {{clump}} tag I just added, although it really, really should be. That said, I just copyedited this and that took this below 1500 characters, which is a showstopper. Please add another 300 characters of new information to the article.--Launchballer14:47, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While it looks like there has been further expansion, some of it includes a bare URL, which is not allowed for DYK. When that's fixed, a new review will be needed because of the new material. Pinging nominator Thriley. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:09, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the flatbread luchi is typically five to six inches in diameter, but a version served in one village is as small as one inch?
Source: [4]In appearance a luchi is a round golden disc, 12.5–15 cm (5–6") in diameter … Ray, Pranab (July 1987). Banglar Khabar বাংলার খাবার [Food of Bengal] (in Bengali). Kolkata: Sahityolok. pp. 32–34.
Comment: I will note, I partially translated this article from the Bengali Wikipedia, which cites some sources I cannot access online. I have submitted a WP:RX request to access the cited pages, but it's unlikely I'll access it within one week, so this DYK will have to involve some heavy AGF.
5x expanded by Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 44 past nominations.
@Launchballer: I personally think translating from another wiki is more like expanding an article that already has substantial content—I've only kept statements that are appropriate and verifiable. But I understand your point. There are two sources cited that I do not have access to: Banglar Khabar by Pranab Ray (1987) and Khai Kintu Jani Ki by Debasish Mukhopadhyay (2019). As I mentioned above, I have requested these sources on WP:RX so I can verify this information. But one of these sources is cited for the DYK hook, which means the hook is unverified. I can try to come up with a hook that uses a source I can access. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs)18:15, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps this might work:
ALT1: ... that the flatbread luchi was historically made with bananas instead of water?
Comment: May not prefer to run ALT2 as the source it uses was published before the park was opened, though there may be a source that details such info published after the park's opening. Also open to alter any of the above hooks. I shall review some hooks to cut the DYK backlog!
Improved to Good Article status by Icepinner (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.
@Icepinner and DaniloDaysOfOurLives: Much to whinge about here I'm afraid, but the good news is that this is long enough, new enough, and that the QPQ is done. I notice that the GA review didn't do a copyright check, and it shows; the article has significant WP:CLOP which will need resolving. There's also an awful lot of unattributed quotes (including in all of the hooks) and they would all deserve {{according to whom}}. That's two good reasons for this to be quickfailed at GA. Both need resolving.--Launchballer21:38, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That is simply not true – in the review, I specifically said "Earwig shows no copyright issues" at the top of the review, and when I spotchecked a handle of sources they did not show up with any issues or close paraphrasing, though some could have been missed as there are many sources. Regarding the quotes, I do not think there are a lot, but they will be easy to paraphrase or cut down. I did not think they were un issue as they were all sourced with inline citations. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 21:47, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for expressing your concerns, Launchballer. I will fix the issiues addressed, although I will not be able to action it immediately. Icepinner02:31, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: The unattributed quote issues have been resolved, courtesy of CMD. Regarding the close-paraphrasing issue, no such issue is present with the website sources, according to Earwig. For the newspaper sources, I don't see much copyvio concerns? Am I missing out on something here? I have proposed the following alt hooks (below) to comply with attribution standards. Icepinner13:47, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0a: ...that coconut trees in the Istana Park were the first time such trees were delebrately planted in Downtown Singapore?
ALT2a: ...that the Istana Park features coconut trees in pools that appear to grow out of the water?
Although ALT0a is from the government themselves and would likely be accurate, it will probably be scrutinised under WP:DEFINITE. As such, I have taken the initiative to propose more hooks, which are shown below:
ALT3: ...that the Festival Arch (pictured) at Istana Park, Singapore, was designed to be the gateway to Orchard Road? The Festival Arch at Istana Park
@Launchballer: I would argue that Orchard Road is well-known, though I could see how not everyone is familiar with it, given it's in a country that's a literal red dot on the world map. Anyways, try ALT5: ... that Istana Park was designed to make the front area of the Istana, the residence of the President of Singapore, more prominent? That's all I can think of at the moment. I'm willing to accept ALT0b, though this would probably need a second review. Icepinner12:36, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I saw that hook and thought 'they're growing in water?'. Regarding ALT5, the article had it in quotes and the hook didn't and that sometimes comes up at WT:DYK. I've now reworded the article.--Launchballer16:34, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yup, improved to July 17. Long enough and new enough. Well-sourced, neutral and free from copyvio. The hook is very interesting, in the article. QPQ is done. Good to go. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 08:48, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per Launchballer, I approved it as something that we probably thinking. Maybe, let's ask @Sammi Brie: to probably put a brief explanation of it on the sentence on the article, maybe not in the hook itself as it is part of the "hooky" part Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 13:04, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I personally thought the hook was self-evident. Even if you don't know exactly what an oil-rig trailer is (and I had to look it up just now to see what one looks like), just seeing that something oil-related was involved was enough to raise curiosity. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:06, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well yes, but if you then go to the article to find out what it is, you'll be disappointed. So I think Miminity's suggestion that the article has an explanatory sentence is a good idea. Black Kite (talk)13:12, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what it is and looking it up is providing... inconsistent information. If it's an actually consistent thing, is it notable? If not, is it covered in some page we have on trucks or trailers we can link to? CMD (talk) 16:14, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was going right off the source: With both the equipment and the fork lift at the bottom of the hill. Terry had to come up with something to transport them up the hill. That turned out to be an oll rig trailer and winch. But you're right that this is very unusual wording. Can this be salvaged with something new or rewording? Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 16:21, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would love some thoughts as to new hooks or rewording to salvage the existing one. This is a bit of a toughie. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 21:40, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ugh, theleekycauldron, this has been a real toughie to figure out. If this doesn't do it, this might be worth dropping from the list. (I've also added something as a backstop to the claim. Not linked in article, because it's WRH, but it's from [6].) Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 08:10, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know enough about art to say for certain which image is preferable. Thus, I am submitting both images that we have on commons. 4 of the 5 different language versions of the article use the one on the right.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:49, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Cited: - The hook sentence is sourced to Fox News which is often considered unreliable.
Interesting:
Other problems: - The hook states the value in US$ when the transaction appears to have been in Euro (€). Per MOS:€ the Euro has equal standing with the dollar and is more appropriate in this case, being the actual currency used.
I reckon that the word national should be lower case when embedded in this sentence so, with that proviso and the currency being Euro, the ALT1b hook is ok.
user:Andrew Davidson, my only qualm with the higher resolution file is the brown strip across the top. I am wondering if we could get a better file somewhere. Since the intention is to get this a picture slot at DYK, I am going to check at commons and see if there is anything we can do.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:14, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I came here to move this forward, but I'm not sure what the issue is here. Is it just about the image? If the image is an issue, the hook could run without it. For what it's worth, I do think ALT2 is good and meets our guidelines, including those regarding interest. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:43, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
this and the image. I am going to visit the AIC on August 7 for a lecture on the painter of this image. I have requested that Canon send me a very fast prime lens (I am a member of Canon Professional Services which entitles me to request that they send me almost any piece of equipment to evaluate once for 10 days) to improve the image. They are going to ship (probably overnight) the lens next Monday. Currently, we have the low res image, high res with a band and cropped high res. I hope to get really good image. This is a really great picture slot hook. The main page viewers like high art. I'm pretty sure the hook will get 10k plus views in the picture slot, given my history with high art.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:53, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If the issue here is about images, couldn't the hook just run without a picture? That's an option, and there's no guarantee that this would run with an image anyway even if it was promoted. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:52, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I replied to you with a diff with an edit summary adding a second article. So obviously a second article needs to be reviewed. I do also think this article would be served by a better pic and am going to an event at the Art Institute of Chicago today to try to take one. This article is less than three weeks old, so what is the rush to get this to the approved section without making it the best article we can.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:36, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
UPDATE I did attend a lecture today at the Art Institute of Chicago. I also took my camera and got photos of 4 subjects, including Boating Party. The other three subjects are the three subjects that are in the Art Institute app 12-stop Essentials Tour that did not have any articles on WP before my visit there on July 19 (America Windows, User:TonyTheTiger/Sandbox/City Landscape and Buddha Shakyamuni). I have about 46.5 hours remaining to timely nominate America Windows at DYK, making that the most urgent of the photography subjects to get together. This could probably sit here for at least 30 days before it becomes untimely, so I would request that you give me 7-10 days to handle editing Boating Party pics.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:38, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TonyTheTiger: National treasures of France is long enough and new enough. QPQ is done and Earwig is clean. I'm getting confused looking at this; what is the situation regarding hooks and images?--Launchballer15:57, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User:Launchballer After seeing this work at the Art Institute of Chicago in July, I created this article. At one point this nomination was endorsed for the picture slot. (I don't recall ever having received such an approval before, but I do agree this would be an excellent choice, especially since fine art does pretty well in the picture slot in my experience). However, commons had three version of the painting: 1.) A low res version, 2.) A high res version with a tan band across the top and 3.) my crop of #2. Due to my inexperience in picture editing, I was unaware that the tan band represented tremendous editorial effort recovering picture data from shadows that resulted from taking the picture without a flash. I assumed I could go to the Art Institute of Chicago and retake the picture without such a band. However, I attended an August lecture about this exhibition and retook the photo. However, I too had a shadow in all of my pictures, and helpful folks at commons removed it in one version. There is was no consensus among involved editors and has been no consensus at Commons:Commons:Photography_critiques#Image_selection that anything I produced was significantly better. I will be attending another Art Institute lecture regarding this exhibition in late September. I am not so sure I will get any better result than we already have. What we have regarding a photo is not perfect, but I think we have sufficient depiction to present the subject in a picture slot. However, today an editor added {{cn}} content. I have been debating about reverting or trying to source the new content.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I had meant 'what hooks/images do I need to verify', though I actually read the nomination this time. I'm going to approve all of the images visible on this page and let a promoter take their pick. ALT2, however, requires knowledge of what LVMH is to be interesting; if you're alright with the trimmed hook ALT2a: ... that Boating Party(pictured) was declared a national treasure of France, I'd be able to approve it. Regarding the {{cn}} content, that'll need removing or sourcing.--Launchballer18:59, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User:Launchballer, the online sources that I see have the following content:
The english version of this source (which is a WP:IC) says "the painter's framing, almost cinematic, is particularly striking. Here the viewer does not look at the painting.he boarded the boat, facing the rower in full effort. The reflections of the water almost seem to sparkle, as if the paint was still moving."
This source (also an IC) clarifies that this is an impressionist work with content such as "emblematic and constitutive of the Impressionist aesthetic", but nothing about painterly details.
The content that was added really sounds like it came from somewhere legitimate. I am apt to just hide it until I can chase down sources after the exhibtion leaves town and high interest levels return to normal.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:52, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(I know you did. I watchlisted both the Blurred Lines and the Niggas in Paris GA subpages when I saw them at WP:GAN as I like both songs and spotted hooks when reading the articles, which I intend on driveby nominating if we aren't in backlog mode.) To answer your other questions; I usually issue reminders after a week, but on this occasion commenting out for now is probably the right call.--Launchballer03:41, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeeted and warned. That is very much not on. Not sure an edit a week is enough to destabilise this, but a promoter might like to keep an eye out. Approving ALT2a and ALT3a and the three images visible on this page.--Launchballer15:21, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This has extensive WP:CLOP from musee-orsay.fr/en/whats-on/exhibitions/caillebotte-bequest. The Earwig report shows some of it, but it's really several running paragraphs which fit into CLOP's superficial modification of material from another source criterion.
Comment, not review@CNMall41: this is not yet ready for DYK, the first problem is the article needs 1,500 characters of prose, but it only has 611 at present. I would recommend reading Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines, especially the articles and hooks sections. Also the hooks need to include a bold link to the article. TSventon (talk) 06:02, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TSventon:, thanks for the feedback. I was aware of the 1,500 based on the popup, but submitted anyway with the intent of adding the rest right after. My mind got twisted and I went to bed without doing it, so apologies for leaving it open ended like that. I have since expanded and also bolded the hooks based on my reading (which could be wrong) of WP:DYKHOOK. CNMall41 (talk) 17:32, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Z1720: yes, my concerns have been resolved and this is ready for a full review. I am not sure whether a list with no inline citations for its members is suitable for DYK, but the reviewer can decide about that. TSventon (talk) 17:20, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify, I did include inline citations. I also verified there were previous lists used for DYK prior to filing as I wasn't sure myslef at first. CNMall41 (talk) 17:26, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think I misunderstood your original question, but re-reading, I see you said "members" of the list (aka, the courses). The prose is where the inline were placed, not the individual courses as they are all verifiable from the linked pages. No courses are on the list (nor should they be added to the list) that do not have a Wikipedia page. I cannot tell you for sure why the lists you cited included inline sources. I will assume that lists such as this are fully cited because there are a lot of redlinks. This and similar are fairly easy with only a dozen or so entries. List of golf courses in the United States has hundreds of entries which all correspond to a live Wikipedia page (note that I did not include those which were redirects yet still listed in the category for courses based on state). I am not sure if it is a requirement for DYK or not to be honest, but all members of the list are verifiable. CNMall41 (talk) 19:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I figured as must since it would similar to WP:GACR6. My interpretation is that it would not be reasonably challenged as the only claim is that a specific golf course is within a specific state as verified on that Wikipedia page for the course. But of course, that is just my opinion. Thanks for taking a look and getting me over the line to a review. CNMall41 (talk) 20:01, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Apart from the sourcing issues, I have concerns about both hooks not meeting WP:DYKDEFINITE. Both numbers could easily change by the month, and they could easily be outdated. My suggestions would be to include an "as of" date as well as going with a less precise figure (i.e. over 1,200 or over 16,000). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:24, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer:, yes you are correct about the empty sections. Wikipedia has NO pages for golf courses in those states and I cannot locate any notable enough to create unfortunately. CNMall41 (talk) 21:30, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: [1] "The digital audio workstation was just then establishing itself as a studio necessity, and Pro Tools was quickly becoming the default option."
Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by 100cellsman (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
QPQ: Overall: Converted to GA status by user. QPQ is not required as this is the first nomination of the user. Hook is cited in the intro and in the main body of the article. Good to go. Toadboy123 (talk) 15:11, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
When evaluating for prep, I see the hook doesn't check out. The source says nothing about this or any other album being one of the first to use a DAW, and it doesn't say who might have thought this. I think this nomination needs a new hook (or a new source if indeed the hook is accurate.) @100cellsman and Toadboy123: please review/comment, thanks! Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:37, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm currently unable to search for sources using ProQuest with the Wikipedia Library card due to my lack of recent edits, and regular search engines aren't reliable these days. But even so, I think the hook checks out now. When I was doing research I don't recall seeing the album being the very first to use a DAW, but more of the band exploring a DAW. And I failed to see that ProTools was released just years before the album came out. Thank you for the review. 웃OO03:57, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that the medieval theologian Erasmus believed that the English Votive Style of choral music lacked in religious devotion? Source: Mynors, R.A.B (1976). The Correspondence of Erasmus: Letters 298 to 445 (1514–1516). University of Toronto Press. pp. 279–282.
Comment: Article created by a new editor and found through WP:NPP, so I beg a couple of days extension to WP:DYKNEW, along with forgiveness from Eurostarguage if I've misunderstood anything in the article.
Created by Eurostarguage (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 26 past nominations.
I don't think I've seen gangsters on DYK before, Guylaen! Fresh, long enough, cites sources, without any neutrality or copyright issues apparent to me. I do see some issues, though:
The dates and places of birth and death, the nicknames, and the spouse's name are not cited.
The article ends abruptly; do we know if he talked after the "truth serum"? And what happened to him in the end? We should at least conclude with information about his death.
The hook checks out, but could it not be simpler? Because of the unfamiliar acronyms I find myself losing interest in what could otherwise be a very fun hook. Surtsicna (talk) 13:39, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Guylaen: Please address the above. (@Surtsicna:, on the subject of gangsters, you may be interested to know that I considered bringing Frankie Fraser to GA for the hook "that Frankie Fraser spent 42 years in prison before his music career", but I'm not sure I'll be doing that.)--Launchballer12:43, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So... my main problem to begin with was that spelling out the acronyms was too many characters for the hook. OSS is pretty well-known though. FBN, not as much anymore, even though it used to be a household name, which is a shame, because Federal Bureau of Narcotics takes up so much space. I'm just not sure how to rescue this.
Maybe just remove the names of the OSS and the FBN? Like:
ALT2: "...that the first ever "field test" subject of a truth serum was an Italian American mafia enforcer named August Del Gracio?" Guylaen (talk) 05:10, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not a review, but per WP:DYKHOOKCITE, superlatives like "first X" are strongly discouraged in DYK hooks as it is hard to source them. I would suggest moving away from it and proposing something else. I could suggest proposing a hook based on Pope Leo XIV, but we've already had a few hooks about him recently, and him being an Augustinian is already fairly well-known, so that's a road that's already well-taken. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:53, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Understandable, and that's why I wanted to highlight Atkinson rather than Leo. Would something like ALT1: ... that Bill Atkinson, a member of the Order of St. Augustine in the United States, was one of the first quadriplegic priest in the history of the Catholic Church after recieving special permission from Paul VI? Source: [7] (Swapped sources for one that includes all the assertions in the hook for the sake of simplicity)
@Maximilian775: I realize this hook is different, but you're kind of falling back into the "first" problem again. Let's avoid that altogether and focus on something truly interesting. For example, why was the parish burned down? Viriditas (talk) 01:52, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article is long enough and was submitted to DYK three days after its creation, so I believe the "new enough" criteria has easily been met too. The hook is interesting (as are the ALT hooks). Earwig is fine, but as many of the sources are in Dutch or Indonesian, it's not clear to me how this works re: copyvio criteria. The article is well drafted by a highly experienced editor who is the nominator (with many past DYK nominations), so this seems like somewhat of a non-issue. QPQ looks fine. I'm happy to proceed with next steps of this review, but not entirely sure if something in particular needs to be done in a case like this one. Please advise. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 10:58, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As I don't speak Dutch or Indonesian, this may be a fool's errand. Using various machine translations, I've located a passage about a "groundbreaking speech [...] entitled 'A Matter of Life or Death.'" I've not yet found the term "prophetic" (although the source confirms the quote about "converting prime rice fields into golf courses", which may be useful for a catchy ALT hook). We may need to wait for a reviewer who speaks these languages (or use one of the ALT hooks). -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 09:21, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Is there any reason not to include a photograph of the subject in this DYK? The image used in the article has a CC0 1.0 Universal Public Domain Dedication, so I would think that there is no issue with licencing. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 16:40, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for article and hook, User:RobinIsadorable, - nice to meet you, and I agree with your user name ;) - The article is detailed and referenced throughout. I wonder about the pronoun, beginning with "their" but then "she"? - Please find something to link the article to. - Normally there would be a link to the performer. As they have no article, there should be a redirect from their name to this article, and the name should be bold. A bit more about the person (birth day or year, place of birth, education ...) would be nice. - The image is licensed and a good illustration. It would perhaps be stronger if cropped, because the detail on the left doesn't show well in stamp-size. I trimmed the caption. - We should not use a given name in the article once the full name was introduced, also no link is needed for New York City. - A bit about the vocals would also be great. - The last refs should be in ascending order. - In the hook, perhaps you want to include something like insomnia, rather than all three outside sounds. - --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I just actually read @Gerda Arendt:'s comment, and I can't see a single complaint that is actually necessary to fix under WP:DYKG. I did however put in a request for a crop at the Photography workshop and fixed some minor errors (essentially those that don't require research).--Launchballer16:42, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what you mean by "complaint". When I meet a new editor, I like a response. The icon is for questions, I had questions, - I can simply approve. I may eventually make fixes myself but not today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:04, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Gerda Arendt: Thank you for the feedback! I'll try to address your points. In regards to pronouns, I tried to use they/them/their when referring to the musical project Ships in the Night and she/her/hers when referring to Leventhal (though I will say I don't see their pronouns personally stated in any sources, so I'm a little hesitant to stick with she/her/hers). Couldn't really find information about Leventhal's personal details. In the hook, I decided to focus on melody inspirations in order to convey the kinds of sounds that inspire the music rather than subject matter (which is inspired by or deals with a number of different topics) for brevity's sake. I could definitely expand the hook to include that. I added a redirect from Alethea Leventhal. I think your other points were addressed by other editors including a photo crop found here: File:WGT 2025 Ships In The Night 01 (cropped).jpg.
Hi @RobinIsadorable, Gerda Arendt, Launchballer, and Narutolovehinata5: I'm just reopening this one because I've just reviewed this article in the Queue and I became confused by the flipping between discussion of the "band" Ships in the Night versus the "singer" Alethea Leventhal. And I see that Gerda raised similar issues in her comment above, so this seems like something that should be addressed. In particular, a few points:
It is unclear if Ships in the Night has become a de facto stage name for Leventhal, or if there is a clear distinction between the act under one name and the individual under the other. The attached image showing the individual but using the group name adds to this confusion.
There is a strong implication through the article that Leventhal identifies as non-binary, with repeated use of they/them pronouns. For example "In 2024, Leventhal signed with Metropolis Records to release their third full-length album, Protection Spells". But from what I can gather, Leventhal in fact identifies as female and is referred to in sources as she/her. I think this needs to be made clearer, probably through consistency in which bits of the article refer to the individual and which to the "band".
Nothing insurmountable here, and thanks to RobinIsadorable for writing this and submitting your first DYK, we just need a little bit of tidying up I think. I will help out myself if I have some time in the coming days, but a little busy right now. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 09:52, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The nomination and article have multiple issues that need to be addressed before this can be approved. The most pressing right now is that no QPQ has been provided; the nomination will be closed within 24 hours if one is not given. Apart from the QPQ issue, there are also others: the source does not make it clear that the Essex International mentioned in the article is the same company as Superior Essex. The source to the "wiring products" claim is cited to a press release that is giving a 410 error; although a press release, if it was an uncontroversial claim, I'm willing to allow it. Otherwise, the article is new enough, long enough, and adequately sourced. It's a bit light on details especially regarding its failed release, but there's just enough of it to pass DYKCOMPLETE. ALT0 is too specialist and is thus rejected, while ALT1 is borderline; if this is approved, only ALT1 will remain for consideration. Also, while not exactly a disqualifying issue since it is not the bolded link, the article for Superior Essex has a big orange template at the top; one possible solution could be to remove Essex's name from the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:27, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If this is to run, the other possibility is this:
ALT1a ... that SX 200microcontroller was designed and built by a company mostly known for its wiring products?
The original review only checked article criteria (i.e. newness, length, etc.) but did not check other aspects like close paraphrasing, hook interest, inline citations, source verification, checking the QPQ, etc. Anyway, I see that you've done a checklist review, so that should suffice for now, this is just a reminder for next time. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:58, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The nominator has made no edits to the article at all since the nomination, despite multiple pings and the above review. Given that, I am failing this, although the nomination may continue if another editor addresses the concerns. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:00, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I just got back from Montreal and have not seen any of these messages. I asked what else needed to be done but never received an answer. Maury Markowitz (talk)
Reading the entire thread again, I still not entirely clear on what I am being asked to do. I have "if it was an uncontroversial claim, I'm willing to allow it". Well ok, but is it, or isn't it? And then "while not exactly a disqualifying issue". Well again, is it or isn't it? The only bit I see that is unequivocal is "the source does not make it clear that the Essex International mentioned in the article is the same company as Superior Essex", which I did not notice the first time. Given the name is "Superior Essex International LP", which can be sourced, on their pages does that address that issue? Maury Markowitz (talk) 16:46, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The main issue with the article at the time was the sourcing and the lack of clarification regarding Essex. I was willing to allow the source given it was an uncontroversial claim: the problem is that the link was giving me a 410 error, meaning it is permanently inaccessible. It would need to be replaced, either with another source or with an archive link. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:36, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Other problems: - Earwig picks up 55% similarity to JIGGER (October 17, 1944) from block quotes. It also picks up 26.5% in Guidi 2022. from another block quote. This article has a lot of block quotes. It looks like 10% of the article is block quotes alone; there's even one in the lead. I do not feel comfortable approving this DYK when many of these can be paraphrased and cut down. There are also multiple unsourced sentences in this article.
Other problems: - I cannot access the source provided to verify the hook as both Safari and Chrome are blocking my access as the website's certificate is invalid. Can you link another source?
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
(There seems to be much discussion about the article I didn't nominate and no discussion at all about the article I did nominate, August Del Gracio, who I think is more interesting than this guy.)
I'll admit it, I friggin love quotes. There are a couple of really saucy ones here that we need to keep, like Anslinger's quote. But yeah, we can paraphrase some of them. However, all of my Bacula notes are on my desktop back in California, and I'm still in Vermont with my laptop until the 16th.
As for a source to the trafficking volume, here is another one: https://archives.ungeneva.org/illicit-traffic-activities-of-carlos-fernandez-bacula . The source for the tonnage is literally on the first page of the Opium Advisory Committee (OAC) file, a French language newspaper clipping that the OAC inserted after his conviction. If you don't know French, the phrase is "d'une tonne et demie d'héroïne" which just means a ton and a half.
I can read French real easy, but I tried to write an article over on fr.wikipedia and they basically told me never to write in French until I was more advanced, haha.
Also, if you want to go with the hook, I have suggestion for alt: include the word "Peruvian Diplomat," somewhere in the hook.
@PizzaKing13: Sorry, slept in the airport last 3 nights. Just took the shuttle down to town yesterday, but I am in a temporary apartment until the 22nd still on my laptop. Then I will actually be set back up in my apartment again. I should get to my files sometime that night. Sorry things are HECTIC right now.
I did actually change the quotes I thought necessary to change. I'm not sure what else I can do because I really like the quotes that are on the page right now. The reason why I put them there in the first place. So, someone else should probably take over this article for now. Guylaen (talk) 04:59, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Tyla was criticized on Twitter after saying that the "we wanna party" chant was South African? Source: Briefly (archived): A Nigerian user on X accused Tyla of being malicious or dense for saying "we wanna party is South African. The netizen pointed out that Nigerian musicians have used the same chant, including Rema and Ayra Starr. The poster concluded by saying that Tyla's claim that the chant was South African was weird.
ALT1: ... that Tyla's EP WWP's low sales sparked a social media debate leading some critics to suggest that her Coloured identity might affect her reception in the U.S.? dxneo (talk) 14:38, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Viriditas, how do i shorten it tho? ALT1a: ... that Tyla's WWP EP's low U.S. sales sparked debate, with some linking it to her Coloured identity?" or just replace "social media" with "online"? I ran out of juice haha! Please help. dxneo (talk) 21:20, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
dxneo Lots of ways to shorten the hook. You're at 159 characters. You can shorten that considerably and get it down to between 80-140 characters. Play around with it. The shorter the better. You don't need to use so many words to say the same thing. Viriditas (talk) 21:22, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your summary said that the source did not support the statement, which was not true, but I'll let it slide. dxneo (talk) 12:12, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dxneo:Comment: The "Composition" section is bordering on non-encyclopedic, non-neutral, and promotional. Example: "Opening with "Dynamite" alongside Wizkid, the duo exchanges seductive lyrics, blending their vocal tones in a catchy, danceable track that carries you from home to the party." Viriditas (talk) 23:16, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dxneo: Parts of this article appear to be out of date and require an update: For example: We Wanna Party is scheduled for release in 2025 by FAX and Epic Records.Viriditas (talk) 01:33, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yup! The actual mixtape is still coming. Sources, and Tyla herself, called the EP a bridge to the LP. Therefore, I don't think it's out of date. She pulled the very same move with her debut studio album and Christina Aguilera did the same with Aguilera. Oh, and I see you've put commas before the word "and", at GA and PR/FAC, they gonna remove those. Struggled a lot with that in the past. dxneo (talk) 02:20, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've never engaged in an argument about commas and don't have any plans to do so in the future. Not at all clear what you mean by "they gonna remove those" so I'll leave it you to use them as you prefer. However, even if the material isn't out of date, the "Background and release" doesn't make much sense the way it is currently written, moving from singles to mixtape, to a scheduled release at some point in the future, to the EP and then back to the mixtape, and then to the future LP. If you think it's fine the way it is currently written, let me know, and I'll drop this and move on to another DYK. Viriditas (talk) 02:45, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You can try. The discussion about the streaming metrics is interesting, but you would need to revisit the sources and rewrite it a bit. The point is to not give up so easily and to try and push the envelope of what is possible. I'm currently going slightly crazy writing a draft about an 1889 train robbery in my sandbox, but I know there's a light at the end of the tunnel where I will come out in the end. Just try to see that light and you'll be fine. Viriditas (talk) 01:40, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting: - I don't think this hook is particularly interesting by itself, especially in the context of the article. When about half of the article describes the app's data leaks and the resulting backlash, a much more interesting hook would juxtapose the app developers' claims of protecting women's safety with the app's security issues.
QPQ: Done.
Overall: The article itself is fine, but I am concerned that the hook seems to portray the app as a safety aid when the article as a whole tells an entirely different story, which makes the hook appear promotional. An adjustment to the hook would resolve this. — Newslingertalk15:45, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed large amounts of criticism per the rationale in my edit summary. ALT1: ... that the app Tea has been praised as an aid for women's safety but sued for jeopardising that of its users?--Launchballer21:06, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 looks good to me, and I have struck ALT0. Your article edits appear to be within the bounds of reasonable editorial discretion, and the new hook satisfies my concern. — Newslingertalk08:31, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Completely forgot about this. I took it up on SickNWristed's talk page but given how extensive the policy violations I cleaned up were, I'm tempted to just revert. Was hoping either you or Newslinger could opine.--Launchballer17:26, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Wild story! But verified by both sources. Sufficiently new and sufficiently long. Copyvio on the article looks good, and QPQ is satisfied. Just a few notes...
Should "princess" not by capitalized, per MOS:PEOPLETITLES? Or is it being used generically?
It is being used genetically here, so I don't think MOS:PEOPLETITLES would apply here
Fair enough!
Is there a reason that Mahabharata is not linked? I am new to reviewing DYKs, so it's possible that I'm just insufficiently familiar with the policy on non-bolded links, but that article seems to be in decent condition and a link to it seems like it would be appropriate.
Tbh, I am not sure about it, usually such things like additional linkings are done by senior editors while they prepare the dyk for main page
Okay, got it.
I think ...became a widow at the very moment... might sound slightly better, but that doesn't disqualify this hook. I'll let you decide if you want to change it or not.
okay, I agree with your suggestion.
Made some edits to the info summary/licensing sections on commons to make the PD rationale more explicit, but the image does appear to be in the public domain both in India and the US. EDIT: Okay, everything looks good to me now! Spookyaki (talk) 05:49, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@RoySmith: Though I am still unconvinced about it failing DYKFiction criteria, I respect the consensus, therefore I can suggest following "real-life" alts:
ALT1: ... that the epic Mahabharata preserves two contradictory accounts of the death and cremation of Madri (pictured)?
ALT2: ... that introduction of Madri (pictured) in the Mahabharata marks the epic’s first portrayal of conjugal rivalry, with her emerging as Kunti’s principal rival?
ALT3: ... that some scholars dispute the Mahabharata’s account of Madri'sself-immolation on her husband’s pyre, often cited as one of the earliest attestations of the practice in Indian literature?
Hook 2: Hiltebeitel, Alf (28 July 2011). Dharma: Its Early History in Law, Religion, and Narrative; p 395-6
Hook 3: M. A. Mehendale (1 January 2001). Interpolations In The Mahabharata. pp. 200–201.; Pattanaik, Devdutt. "Maybe Madri did not commit sati in the Mahabharata?"; Kitts, Margo (1 May 2018). Martyrdom, Self-Sacrifice, and Self-Immolation: Religious Perspectives on Suicide; p 165
@Seyamar: Still feel fairly out of my depth in assessing WP:DYKFICTION, though if the original hook was ineligible, I don't really see how hooks 1 and 2 would be. They both discuss events that happen within the Mahabarata. Hook 3 seems the least likely to be an issue with DYKFICTION, but it's also a bit vague and hard to follow. Based on the sources, it seems like what is disputed is whether or not Madri committed sati, but that's not really very clear from the hook. You could go with something like:
...that while some say that the Mahabharata's account of Madri’s self-immolation is one of the earliest attestations to the practice in Indian literature, others say it is contradicted by the next stanza?
Or, to be honest, you could just say try:
...that some scholars say that the Mahabharata's account of Madri’s self-immolation is one of the earliest attestations to the practice in Indian literature?
I will say that I was able to verify all three hooks in their respective sources (though the page number for Hiltebeitel was 383, not 395). If anyone else has more insight on the application of DYKFICTION to the first two hooks, would be appreciated. Spookyaki (talk) 16:53, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Spookyaki: ALTs 1-3 are fine on a DYKFICTION front, though I'd end ALT2 at 'rivalry' and ALT3 at 'self-immolation' and I'd probably go belt and braces and promote ALT3.--Launchballer00:06, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That is true in the article, though I think you could argue that Sukthankar, cited later in the same paragraph, counts as a second person questioning the account's authenticity. The claim is accurate, but could be better supported by some of the sources listed for this nomination. @Seyamar, what do you think? Spookyaki (talk) 17:37, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: If you are referring to the article section, the subsequent paragraphs (as @Spookyaki: pointed out) cite other sources—Suthankar, Mehendale, and Pattnaik—that support the use of ‘many,’ although it could be changed to ‘some’ to be on the safer side.Seyamar💬📜19:13, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: To do QPQ within a day or two. The expansion appears to only be about ~4.7 rather than 5.0 -- maybe we could IAR? I don't think there's much more to add.
5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 400 past nominations.
You could do, but you then run the risk of a subsequent copyedit taking it under again. (I know me and Airship copyedit articles before promoting; you might get someone different.) GARC will get this eligible in less than two months.--Launchballer11:25, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Articles do not need to be GA-quality to be featured on DYK, even if they are a 5x expansion. The article looks good enough and can probably be run as is, assuming there are no more copyedits to be done. You could nominate it for GA status, although given that process's backlog, waiting would likely lead to this nomination timing out. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:38, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Emperor Tenmu(pictured) had all of his sons swear to honor his consort and niece Uno-no-sarara as their mother, including two of her brothers?
Source: Duthie, Torquil (2013). "The Jinshin Rebellion and the Politics of Historical Narrative in Early Japan". Journal of the American Oriental Society. 133 (2): 295–320. doi:10.7817/jameroriesoci.133.2.0295.. pp. 308–309, as well as Duthie, Torquil (2014). Man’yōshū and the Imperial Imagination in Early Japan. Brill. doi:10.1163/9789004264540. ISBN 9789004251717. pp. 248–249
Fair enough; the two others were still bound to oath, but I guess they didn't do the physical act of swearing. We could just remove "all of". Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 15:53, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This was an old stale draft but was moved to article space only recently. It is long enough and well sourced. QPQ done. Earwig found no significant copying. Interesting hook. However, there is a problem: the part about "over 150 translations" does not appear in the article nor in the source used in the article for the website. This needs to be fixed before the hook can run. (Also re the final sentence see WP:INTOTHEWOULDS but this is not a DYK issue.) —David Eppstein (talk) 19:53, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Mary Karadja claimed that her poem Mot ljuset was based on a vision she had beside the grave of her husband and son?
Source: [9] "Poemul mistic Mot ljuset (Spre lumină) este de fapt o viziune pe care autoarea susţine că a avut-o în 1899, în capela Castelului de la Bovigny, când se ruga la mormintele soţului şi băiatului lor cel mare."
ALT1: ... that Mary Karadja founded the Christian Aryan Protection League to deport European Jews to Madagascar? Source: [10] "she founded the Christian Aryan Protection League with the goal of deporting European Jews to Madagascar"
ALT2: ... that Mary Karadja claimed that her poem Mot ljuset was spiritually dictated to her after she prayed beside the graves of her husband and son. Source: [11] "Prinţesa Karadja afirmă că cine citeşte poemul ar putea crede că este rodul unei îndelungi meditaţii, dar de fapt acesta i-a fost „dictat” în acea noapte de Sânziene, din 1899"
Not a review I took the liberty of adding more from the Romanian source, as well as other stuff in general; it caught my eye that what the source actually says is a bit more interesting than what the hook reduces it to: outisde of the snippet, Stănculescu renders Karadja's claim to have not just had a vision, but to have actually been automatically dictated the entire poem (Prinţesa Karadja afirmă că cine citeşte poemul ar putea crede că este rodul unei îndelungi meditaţii, dar de fapt acesta i-a fost „dictat” în acea noapte de Sânziene, din 1899). Make what you will of this. Dahn (talk) 09:11, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is a very promising article, Spiderpig662. Frankly, this is one of the cases where I am stunned that we did not have an article about the subject before. I strongly suggest creating an article about the Christian Aryan Protection League, which need not be as detailed as the biography of Karadja, to nominate alongside this article. Such a double hook would do great on the Main Page. I also suggest expanding the lead to explain her career a bit more. Surtsicna (talk) 17:55, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Surtsicna: I have expanded the lead section as suggested. I am going to research the Christian Aryan Protection League and see if there is enough information for an article. Per Dahn's suggestion I have also added a more accurate alt hook. Spiderpig662 (talk) 21:44, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A minor point: I have located the original quote from Mary Karadja, where she adds more detail -- apparently, she used "inspired" for the process that Stănculescu describes as "dictated", and makes a point of noting that the two are not the same thing. So perhaps a tweak is needed, but not necessarily toward "dictated". Dahn (talk) 21:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also: I feel that the poem's name should be in italics, if we use the original title -- since quote marks are only used for English titles, whereas foreign expressions are generally italicized. Either that ore use "Into the Light". Dahn (talk) 22:06, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2a: ... that Mary Karadja claimed that she was spiritually influenced to write the poem Mot ljuset after praying beside the grave of her husband and son? Source: [12]
This article has grown a lot since I last checked it. Wow. I hate to nag, but I think it can produce much hookier hooks than claimed spiritual influences. Anyone can say that sort of stuff, and if the poem itself is not notable, then it's just a little meh. The idea to deport European Jews to Madagascar is so ridiculous that it would make a great hook, and I think there are more such gems in this article. If you cannot bother to dig them up, Spiderpig662, perhaps we can go with ALT1, perhaps remove "Christian Aryan Protection League", just briefly define her, and state her goal. Surtsicna (talk) 18:55, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One could technically make the hook hookier by condensing the part about it being inspired by a spiritual entity or whatnot and adding that it briefly made her Sweden's "most popular author" (per the slightly tongue-in-cheek account by Hjalmar Söderberg). There are other facts to mine, though -- consider her being sued by her dad, or her prophecy about "volcanic action" destroying most of the world (juxtaposed, perhaps, with her later turning to Nazism). As a side note: the Madagascar suggestion, while somewhat weird, was not unheard of (that article could use an expansion about where the idea originally came from, and Karadja could be mentioned there -- I also came across the many aspects of the Madagascar project, most surprisingly, when researching Otto Roth). Dahn (talk) 14:00, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1a: ... that Mary Karadja founded the Christian Aryan Protection League to deport European Jews to Madagascar, despite previously advocating against antisemitism? Source: "Étincelles ou les aphorismes français de Mary Karadja" p. 108
ALT1b: ... that Mary Karadja founded the Christian Aryan Protection League to deport European Jews to Madagascar, despite previously advocating against antisemitic prejudice? Source: [14] "she founded the Christian Aryan Protection League with the goal of deporting European Jews to Madagascar", "Étincelles ou les aphorismes français de Mary Karadja" p. 108
ALT3a: ... that writer and spiritual medium Mary Karadja was sued by her own father for 38,220 Swedish kronor? Source: [15] "she founded the Christian Aryan Protection League with the goal of deporting European Jews to Madagascar", "Scandia. Notes". Iowa County Democrat. 1902-01-23. p. 7.
ALT3b: ... that writer and spiritual medium Mary Karadja was sued by her own father to recover a loan of 38,220 Swedish kronor? Source: "Scandia. Notes". Iowa County Democrat. 1902-01-23. p. 7.
Source: Han solgte Danmarks første NFT-billede i 2021, som var et nøgenbillede af ham selv med titlen 'Den Neo Skandinaviske Mand'. [Translation: "He sold Denmark's first NFT image in 2021, which was a nude image of himself titled 'The Neo Scandinavian Man'."] Source article with Google Translation link to page
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Comment: May need alt hook that it was the first NFT image, if specificity is needed. First DYK nomination, apologies for any errors in submission.
Created by Haj (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Bared chests at the Tomb of Yue Fei in Hangzhou, China
... that the Tomb of Yue Fei in Hangzhou, China, includes bound and kneeling statues of the general's accusers (pictured) that have been ritually reviled for centuries? Source: Müller, Gotelind (2022), Tombs and Transnational History in Greater China: A Collection of Case Studies, Berlin: Lit, p. 210.
ALT1: ... that the Tomb of Yue Fei in Hangzhou, China, includes bound and kneeling statues of the general's pacifist enemies (pictured) that have been ritually reviled for centuries? Source: Müller, loc. cit., and Du, Mara Yue (27 February 2003), "Towards a Nation Defined by State: Tattooed Loyalty and the Evolution of Yue Fei's (1103–1142) Image from the Song to the Present", Journal of Chinese History, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. (The phrasing is tighter as is but explicit mention of Qin & al. supporting Gaozong's peace could be added if this hook is preferred and that felt needed.)
ALT2: ... that, despite the Maoist Red Guards' destruction of the Tomb of Yue Fei (pictured) in 1966, Xi Jinping took him as a childhood hero and his tattoo as a personal motto? Source: Du, op. cit. (Again the phrasing & content is tighter as is but explicit mention of Xi could be added if this hook is preferred)
ALT3: ... that, when the Tomb of Yue Fei (pictured) was reconstructed in 1979, it was rebuilt not as it had been before its destruction in 1966 but as it should have looked during the Song dynasty? Source: Kögel, Eduard (2015), The Grand Documentation: Ernst Boerschmann and Chinese Religious Architecture (1906–1931), Berlin: Walter de Gruyter, p. 161.
ALT4: ... that statues of Qin Hui, Lady Wang, Moqi Xie, & Zhang Jun (pictured) at the Tomb of Yue Fei in Hangzhou, China, have been ritually pissed on, shat on, & beheaded for centuries? Source: Müller, loc. cit., Kögel, loc. cit., and Fu Chonglan; et al. (2019), Introduction to the Urban History of China, Singapore: Palgrave Macmillan, p. 225.
ALT5: ... that the Tomb of Yue Fei (pictured) was honored for centuries as a shrine to perfect patriotism & loyalty but destroyed in 1966 because the Song general was felt to have been a feudal oppressor? Source: He Libo (16 May 2006), "Pò 'Sìjiù' Fēngcháo de Qiánqián Hòuhòu" 破'四旧'风潮的前前后后 [Ins and Outs of the Campaign to Destroy the 'Four Olds'], Huáxià Wénzhāi Zēngkān, Dì Wǔlíngyī Qí: Wéngé Bówùguǎn Tōngxùn, Dì Sānsānwǔ Qī 华夏文摘增刊，第五〇一期：文革博物馆通讯，第三三五期 [China News Digest, No. 501: Cultural Revolution Newsletter, No. 335] (in Chinese), Gaithersburg: China News Digest International.
ALT6: ... that the Tomb of Yue Fei in Hangzhou, China, features boobies (pictured)? Source: Müller, loc. cit. & Wikicommons imagery.
Comment: 1st, don't worry. You only need to check the hook most interesting to you. 2nd, if you really deeply prefer ALT1 or ALT2, just message my talk page and I'll redo the article to explicitly mention the needed point. 3rd, kindly do not add any links to the provided hooks. DYK is here to drive traffic to new/improved articles. People curious about Qin Hui or Hangzhou can get there from the links in the Tomb of Yue Fei page and don't need them in the hooks themselves.
5x expanded by LlywelynII (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 89 past nominations.
... that Matei Ghica(pictured) lost his Wallachian throne for supporting Greek immigrants, and was moved to Moldavia, where he became unusually submissive toward the natives?
Source: Multiple sources for the Wallachian portion, especially Panait I. Panait, "'Tot norodul Bucureștilor' în lupta pentru dreptate socială și libertatea patriei (sec. al XVIII-lea)", in Muzeul Național, Vol. VII, 1983, p. 179 (referring to the "collaboration of the classes" against Ghica and his Greek clique). The second part is based on Nicolae Iorga, "Prefața", in Documente privitoare la familia Callimachi, Vol. I, p. lxxvii, quoting boyar Enache Kogălniceanu -- see the verbatim quote on prea mult maidan (similar quotes from Kogălniceanu , showing his dismay at Ghica's subservience to his native boyars, in Dorin Dobrincu, "Privilegii fiscale în Moldova epocii fanariote (I)", in Suceava. Anuarul Muzeului Național al Bucovinei, Vols. XXIV–XXV, 1997–1998, pp. 201–202).
ALT1: ... that in 1752 Matei Ghica(pictured) took the throne of Wallachia with support from his father-in-law, allegedly by violating his own father's dying wish? Source: Full account in Nicolae Iorga, "Prefața", in Documente privitoare la familia Callimachi, Vol. I, p. lxxii.
... that "Gibbet Hill", an 1890 short story by the Dracula author Bram Stoker, was unknown to Stoker scholars until its rediscovery in the 21st century?
Source: BBC: "Gibbet Hill was originally published in a Dublin newspaper in 1890 - when the Irishman started working on Dracula - but has been undocumented ever since."
Comment: The 'easy' hook, that this was rediscovered in 2024 (per the headlines) doesn't actually work, as at least a few Stoker scholars had known about it for years, making this article a useful corrective to the not-fully-accurate headlines that were everywhere about a year ago. (I'll follow up with a review soon.)
5x expanded by J Milburn (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 74 past nominations.
Source: Harrogate Advertiser. for Conan Doyle playing billiards at The Harrogate Club. Edgecombe, Wilfrid (1957). Centenary of the Club, Harrogate. History 1857-1957. (offline) for the story about beating Edgecombe at billiards.
Comment: I have lightly cleaned up the image in Adobe Lrc to make it more presentable. I used upright auto to make the tables appear more level, making it less disorienting to the viewer, constrained the crop to the existing limits (without autofill), and used auto exposure to push the shadows and pull the highlights without AI enhancement. Dhaluza (talk) 15:54, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for going to so much effort for us, with the picture. However I have had to replace your new picture with the original, which I have rotated (using Gimp) for the same reason (and I never use AI either). However I have retained the original genuine colour. This billiard room is in a sensitively restored Victorian building, which means it has Victorian muted colours. The walls are a rich maroon, not cheap scarlet, and the baize on the tables is a discreetly gentle shade. Rather joyfully for us in the UK, the Harrogate Club is very un-American in appearance, and we would not want to deceive the public, would we. Storye book (talk) 08:40, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the regimental band of the British Central Africa Regiment were known as the "canary birds" because of their bright yellow pants?
Source: Verner 1906, p. 47.
ALT1: ... that married soldiers in the British Central Africa Regiment received private quarters, while their unmarried fellows slept in domitories? Source: Marjomaa 2003, p. 422.
ALT2: ... that the British Central Africa Regiment was formed of companies of different ethnic groups? Source: Moyse-Bartlett 1956, p. 125, Marjomaa 2003, p. 418.
... that by 1985, the Sanok Construction Company had constructed over 9,000 apartments, in addition to schools, industrial facilities, hotels, restaurants, a museum, a cemetery, and an ice rink?
Source: See multiple throughout article
ALT1: ... that the Sanok Construction Company operated its own medical clinic and had sports teams for shooting and volleyball? Source: Radzik (2014, pp. 135-136)
I can't access the source, but the ALT1 is interesting to me. The article seems to be in good shape (although its lede should be lengthened), the QPQ checks out, and there's no evidence of copyvio. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 17:57, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that, according to the Reporter Dispatch, "UFO lawyer" Peter Gersten is "a cool-looking character — blue shades, shirt unbuttoned to the chest, tie untied"?
Source: "American Sydney McLaughlin produced one of the greatest track performances of all time on Friday by shattering her own 400 metres hurdles world record to win World Championships gold. The Olympic champion charged home in 50.68 seconds, slashing 0.73 off her previous mark of 51.41 set at the same springy Hayward Field last month and becoming the first woman to run under 51 seconds in the event." (link)
Comment: The image should probably be cropped like in the article. This hook could be featured during the 2025 World Athletics Championships, the three rounds of the 400 metres hurdles are scheduled for 15, 17, and 19 September 2025.
Improved to Good Article status by Editør (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 24 past nominations.
Source: Ulrich A. Wien (2017). "Kirche und Politik im Verständnis der Bischöfe Viktor Glondys und Wilhelm Staede", in RT 99, vol. 1, p. 123. (in German). Translated excerpt: “He was first appointed parish priest in the economically cosmopolitan city of Kronstadt in 1922, then elected vicar bishop to the elderly Bishop Dr. Friedrich Teutsch in 1930, and finally, in 1932, he became the first non-Saxon in 380 years to be elected bishop of the regional church.”
ALT1: ... that Viktor Glondys converted from Catholicism to Lutheranism during his philosophical studies in Graz, likely influenced by the teachings of Alexius Meinong? Source: Beyer, Hans (1964). Viktor Glondys, 1882–1949: ein Beitrag zur Geistes- und Kirchengeschichte des Südostdeutschtums zwischen den beiden Weltkriegen. [Festschrift für Balduin Saria zum 70. Geburtstag] (in German). Oldenbourg. p. 420.
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Comment: If relevant (I have never done this before), in the source it says "non-Saxon", which is meant to refer specifically to Transylvanian Saxons. This is clarified later when he refers to the Saxons from then on as "Siebenbürger Sachsen" (Transylvanian Saxon).
Moved to mainspace by Apollo468 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Comment: No, I don't really understand what most of the article is going on about (all credit to Abvdj who evidently does); that's why I took the hook facts from the lead!
Created by Abvdj (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 44 past nominations.
Comment: Review most interesting hook only, and use others as backup if needed. You do not habe to review all hooks.
Currently requesting a public domain photograph of him from the University of Illinois, which could allow for an image to be included. The image can also be found on this site, so adding an image now is possible, but I'd prefer the original owners' premission.
ALT0 could also mention him being rejected.
Created by Guerreroast (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.
Article is long enough and new enough. The sources used seem reliable and Earwig shows no copyright violations. QPQ has been done and the hook is sourced in the article. I slightly tweaked the hook, I hope that is okay - feel free to revert. Overall this is good to go, well done :) DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 12:14, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that Spanish footballer Emilia Ibáñez scored 40 league goals in the 1985–86 season, but was only the second highest goalscorer in the league?
@DaniloDaysOfOurLives:, you can’t significantly change the hooky part of the hook and leave it in the same line, and you certainly can’t then approve it yourself. Your review is null because of that, and also shouldn’t be used for QPQ. I’ve added your version as an alt, and this is open for review for someone else. Kingsif (talk) 18:21, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
...Really? I changed two words with pretty much the same meaning, which I said you could revert, and which editors do all the time. I was trying to be nice by reviewing this and I specifically said Feel free to revert. You could have just reverted it. You did not need to be so rude/defensive when I was trying to help you. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk)
Any non-typo change should really be a new alt, yes. But also, you didn't just change two words with the same meaning - you apparently fail to see the difference in intention and deliberate information/lack thereof presentation between still was not the top goalscorer in the league and was only the second highest goalscorer in the league. The hooky part, to me, is that "40's an awful lot how can't she be top goalscorer" elicits surprise, while "second highest" is just a rather bland simple statement. Kingsif (talk) 23:23, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Kingsif: A valid QPQ can include words to the effect of 'X hook doesn't work but I can suggest Y', which the above does in different words, so Danilo's review still stands. That said, there are two unsourced body paragraphs and these deserve {{cn}}.--Launchballer19:37, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, thought you were being facetious. One of the “two unsourced paragraphs” is the sentence “Ibáñez represented Spain and Catalonia internationally” right before two fully sourced paragraphs detailing all her appearances: nobody would seriously call that an unsourced paragraph? Kingsif (talk) 18:06, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You need to cite external, reliable sources, in the same sense you would cite the article you nominated. Is there a source in the article to back this claim? I also don't feel like this hook requires a picture. Roast (talk) 00:40, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The sources are the ones the internal anchors link to. I had done in that in prior DYK nominations and it had been fine?
It didn't redirect me to the footnote when I clicked it, which is most likely fault of my device. The sources are reliable and back the claim. As for the image, yes I think a photograph of Ivanka would be a better fit. The "(pictured)" thing also needs to follow the mention of Mar-a-Lago Face, likely with additional need to say it's Ivanka, something like "...that the Mar-a-Lago face, a (example pictured: Ivanka Trump", an appearance popular with Republican women, has been compared to gender-affirming care and drag?"). Possible edits can be made to shorten is my suggestion is too long. Roast (talk) 02:44, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Alt 2:
Mar-a-Lago face is modeled on Ivanka Trump's look.
I have an issue with the image caption. There is only one source in the article supporting the idea that the face is modeled after Ivanka, and that source attributes the claim to a single surgeon. The quote is actually "often modeled after Ivanka Trump’s signature look", which is a fair distance from "based on Ivanka Trump". ꧁Zanahary꧂15:41, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I still don't think a single claim attributed to some Californian surgeon in a HuffPost article is a good enough source for this to appear on the front page. If it's true that the look is based on Ivanka's, there should be multiple quality sources saying so. ꧁Zanahary꧂15:48, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The hook covers (it took some effort) a variety of the interesting items in the article, which I worked into the hook with a fair bit of effort. So is your issue JUST with the comparison to Ivanka and the image, or is your issue with the DYK itself? I want to know your precise position so that if there is a concern, I can address it head-on, with clear focused understanding of what your issue is. And, being honest, I've had terrible luck with vague editors and those prone to move goalposts, which I am not a fan of. Can you please be crystal clear in your concerns? — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs)15:57, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sure: the notion that Ivanka is the model for the face is too tenuously sourced, and the "comparison" to gender-affirming care is sourced entirely from a single rhetorical one-liner in a Mother Jones piece. Neither of these are strong enough to be on the main page. ꧁Zanahary꧂16:30, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
These sources are all poor. HuffPost's is one surgeon. Glam.com (seemingly a very low-quality source, whose front page shows me authoritative hits like 4 Common Excuses That Make You Sound Self-Centered between seemingly infinite articles about celebrities' shocking plastic surgery transformations and elegant style evolutions) just reprints a surgeon's quote in the terrible WP:Daily Mail, and the Voce di New York (an outlet with basically no pedigree or footprint at all) piece is just a few paragraphs long and claims without substantiation that two surgeons say more people are asking to look like Ivanka. Neither of the quoted surgeons in the piece seem to say anything supporting that notion, and the piece does not even posit a direct basal relationship between Ivanka Trump and Mar-a-Lago face. This is just bad sourcing for a fun claim, and I get that fun claims like this one are fun, but without actual high-quality sourcing directly supporting it, "Mar-a-Lago face is based on Ivanka Trump" does not meet the encyclopedic standard of Wikipedia's front page.꧁Zanahary꧂19:49, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This DYK nomination is ill-considered. The "K" in DYK is know, meaning it should be solid and notable fact.
"Compared to gender-affirming care" is weasel-wording, not a statement it is factually gender-affirming care for a DYK. Also, compared by whom? Maybe one or two utterly non-notable people who were clearly having fun with applying the phrase to the trans-phobic MAGA movement. It was not a claim the women needed surgery in order to look like women, which is what the phrase usually means.
Similarly for comparing the Mar-a-Lago look to drag, which is again very thinly sourced, is a weasely compared and not a DYK fact.
Unrelated to DYK nomination: the inclusion of the eye-catching and large drag picture in this article based on a non-notable offhand remark is ill-considered.
I'm firmly on the side of this DYK nomination is nonsense. -- M.boli (talk) 21:49, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source quote: Botox, visible facial fillers and exaggerated tans comprise the aesthetic popular among Donald Trump’s entourage.
That's as bare bones and factually accurate as there is. Is the issue article quality and composition or subject matter? Is there a subject matter restriction on DYK? Political sensitivity in the past has not been a prior valid factor with front page nominations for DYK, In the News, FAs... — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs)14:47, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The issues seem to be around article and sourcing quality, and as this article falls under at least two contentious topics, it is subject to the "greater scrutiny from reviewers and promoters" mentioned in WP:DYKCRIT. Review needed for ALT3. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:42, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@GGOTCC: Sounds good. I was thinking about rewriting it to refer to her as just "a missing person"; that can still be done on ALT1, which I prefer. Roast (talk) 18:44, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that two years after Zhang Juzheng's death, three close family members killed themselves, while ten of his descendants were starved to death in an empty house?
Source: Pang (2015), pp. 29–30.
ALT1: ... that after Zhang Juzheng was criticised for not adequtely mourning the death of his father, he eliminated around fifty opponents through self-evaluation tests? Source:
Huang (1988), pp. 526-527, 537
Peterson (1998), pp. 741-742
ALT2: ... that despite the renown of Zhang Juzheng's art collection, no paintings or calligraphy were found when the emperor confiscated his property? Source: Pang (2015), pp. 29–30.
... that an alleged deal between labour boss Ramsingh Verma and millowner R.C. Jall provoked a bitter dispute between Verma and union leader G.R. Tiwari, leading to the ousting of the former?
Source: Urban Politics in India, Area, Power, and Policy in a Penetrated System, Rodney W. Jones
Comment: It's been nominated for ITN, but only for non-blurb RD, so being on the Main Page will not preclude this nom. For ALT0: I'm sure folks around the world are globally familiar with the Malcolm X.
Created by Miraclepine (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 97 past nominations.
Thank you for thinking about it. ALT1 is talking only about quantity, and doesn't say a word about which genre, nor that he was mostly a teacher and director. ALT2 is possible, but misses music, - I think that "elegiaco" raises more interest than a naming, and percussion with orchestra is unusual. ALT3 is as unspecific as saying that Julia Hagen began at age four, which was rejected not only by me. How do you even think that kind of early life information is interesting? - This person had a quite local but long-lasting impact in teaching and also composing, - why not say so? Back to Julia Hagen: more than 3k were interested in the linked cello maker. I wish that interest had gone to the (living) violinist, orchestra and conductor of a very interesting event. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:28, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I don't think ALT0 will pass WP:DYKINT for most people -- unless Tríptico elegíaco were particularly famous and its composer particularly obscure. Like Julia Hagan, we're in the difficult position that the article doesn't give us very much that's outside the norm for a composer. Of the four above I would be most likely to click on ALT0, but honestly even that's a bit borderline. I wonder about "... that all three sons of the composer Salvador Chuliá Hernández became musicians?", but it's likewise scraping a bit. UndercoverClassicistT·C07:32, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't follow, sorry. "eligiaco" = elegiac should raise interest on a broad level, no? (I didn't want to put the memory of his son who died early onto the hook.) "percussion" should be more interesting than some vague "musical works", no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:05, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, I don't agree. I think you need a fairly high level of knowledge in a specific field of music to appreciate why either of those things are unusual, and very few of our readers will have that. To be honest, I still can't see why the word elegiac in the title of a piece makes it interesting -- I wouldn't run a hook "...that Thomas Gray composed Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard", for example. UndercoverClassicistT·C10:08, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) Your ALT is fine to hint at him being a successful teacher, but comes without a leading position for decades, and no hint at being a prolific composer at all, while I believe that the double function makes him more interesting than one alone, and being specific about where and what is more personal and more interesting than some vague "teacher and composer". I believe that few people are at the same time great teachers and great creators, and he was one of the few.
After edit conflict: I believe that the words "elegiac", "percussion" and "orchestra" need no musical expertise whatsoever to raise interest, and the name of the conservatoire needs no knowledge because there's a link (and the name could be shortened). Less precise than ALT0:
Similarly, I don't think many readers will hear a striking dissonance between conservatoire and concert band (is there one?), and so this will read as "did you know that this composer composed music?" UndercoverClassicistT·C10:49, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm at a loss how anybody would connect conservatoire (academy, school) with anything creative. Is that my language? - Concert band is a very specific musical ensemble, DYK? ... not just "music". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:11, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would normally assume that the director of a musical academy was a successful musician, just like that the director of a military academy was a soldier, so it doesn't seem surprising that they would write music. Again, I understand that these hooks may be interesting to someone with specific knowledge, but I doubt they will be to the intelligent but uninformed readers at whom DYK is aimed. UndercoverClassicistT·C11:15, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do you know the difference between a musician and a composer? Do you know another director of an academy who is a prolific composer? (I don't.) I think we should tell readers what they don't know. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:26, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think we're in a loop now, but I wouldn't pass that hook for DYKINT, and I'd be surprised if this exchange convinces anyone else to do so. I'll bow out at this point. UndercoverClassicistT·C11:31, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just a quick question: could you pass ALT2 or - let them find out why -
No, I don't think I would. If the building or institution itself were fantastically notable -- for instance, if it were the White House -- it would be a different matter, but I don't see that "a room of an institution focused on a thing is named after someone notable for that thing" is unusual or interesting. UndercoverClassicistT·C12:33, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
When I came to DYK it was to make known (during 6 hours on the main page) the little new article, by what it contains, - let the readers decide if they find that interesting enough to click or not. (My first DYK, nominated by the one who help me bring the article back from deletion, was about a composer, and I argued about the hook ;) ) Chuliá didn't play in a president's league, and we shouldn't pretend he was. Does that exclude him from DYK? There are not many percussion concertos, but he wrote one, which seems interesting (to me).
I can. We'll just miss things that are more interesting when together. A conservatory director who writes 400 compositions is rare, and I tried to incorporate the gift of ALT1, which in itself is meaningless (to me). If we only speak about compositions, we ignore that his greatest accomplishment was teaching. If you need something short, you can take ALT2a.
As much as you really want to highlight Tríptico elegíaco, neither proposal works as neither make it clear exacly how and why Tríptico elegíaco is any more unusual over the many other compositions made for both orchestra and percussion. UndercoverClassicist's advice that the hook will read as "composer composed song" is correct, and any context or background you want to share will be lost in what you are trying to say. Given that you said you would rather have no hook than to go with an alternative option, it may be for the best to just let this one go and withdraw. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:37, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I want to say something about his accomplishments, in a factual way. You told me to find something personal, that is tabloid territory for me. I don't think that you and I mean the same thing when we say "song". I don't think we mean the same same thing when we say percussion concerto, a rather rare thing. I didn't write his article, so am less passionate than for articles I put much energy in, or a performer I experienced myself, but I still believe he deserves credit for something singular he gave the world. Do you know what elegy and lament mean? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:09, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I will not be participating in this nomination further as this discussion appears to be going nowhere, but to answer your question: yes, I do know what elegies and laments are. That does not mean I find the fact he wrote either interesting, nor does it change the fact that the proposals fail to show how his elegy and lament are any more special or unusual than those made by others. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:35, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT5b ... that Spanish conductor Salvador Chuliá Hernández composed the lament Tríptico elegíaco for percussion and orchestra following his son's death in a car accident?
I think the fact about laments being rarely written for percussion will be lost among most readers (UndercoverClassicist's advice that the percussion-lament relationship is a "fairly high level of knowledge in a specific field of music" is correct and thus that fact by itself is not DYKINT compliant). However, him writing a lament in memory of his son is more likely to attract readership, even if they do not have same technical knowledge that you have.
I understand that you did not want to highlight his son's death, but this is perhaps the only angle involving Tríptico elegíaco that would likely get approval from other reviewers. Otherwise, if as you said you would rather have no hook rather than highlighting something you do not want, you can always withdraw the nomination. In any case, I will not be participating here any further, I just wanted to get this idea out for the benefit of other editors who would take a look at this. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:19, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for thinking further. I didn't want to mention the reason, but can live with it. Some problems, though. 1) It's not mentioned in his article, only in the composition, again intentionally. I tried to make the composition itself fit for DYK, but found no details, no review yet. 2) I read "traffic accident", not "car accident", and have to rely on translation. 3) I would like to see percussion mentioned, because it's not only part of the full title but relates to the career of the young man. 4) He was much less of a conductor than professor and almost creator of that academy. 5) I don't believe much that nationality plays a role in creating interest, and the name sounds Spanish enough. 6) He is commonly known without the maternal name, especially as a composer. 7) lament seems redundant to elegiac, especially when the reason is given. My version (which is supported by the article as it is):
Overall: Elements from many ALT5s work well together, but not in any order currently presented. The biggest problem is that the current articles misunderstand the title of the work in question: it is "Tríptico elegíaco para un percusionista"—Elegiac triptych for a percussionist, then performed by an orchestra. There are other problems too with e.g. ALT5d: we omit the necessary "lament" to make complete sense of the work. I do however like the trimming of "Spanish conductor" and of the matrilineal surname. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:24, 1 September 2025 (UTC) ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:24, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the review! I think you misunderstood the title. Elegiac triptych for a percussionist means the dedication to "a percussionist", not the scoring. It was from the start meant to be played by percussion and orchestra, which gives it weight. Triptych means that it it's in three movements, which adds more weight. The word lament is not in the article, - it was introduced to offer a piped link as perhaps better known than "elegiac", but if we have "elegíaco" and "in memory" I don't think we need "lament" also, - original research: the father may even have written the piece (a year after the accident) to overcome lamenting. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:54, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder what makes you think anything else. Preniered by the National Youth Orchestra. - I added some bits that Vicente Chuliá wrote about his brother and the father composing, also a 2006 Valencia recording (orchestra). We may get in 1500 chars territory, - how do I check that? I used to have a function installed that came up unter tools but no more. I know that YouTube is no reliable source, but if a Youtube conducted by Vicente comes with the line "Tríptico Elegiaco para un percusionista", obra para orquesta sinfónica dedicada in memoriam a Salvador Antonio Chuliá Ramiro, quien fallece en un accidente de coche a la edad de 17 años." - it may tell us that it an orchestral piece. The longer I look, the more I tend to think that "for orchestra" is better. Will change. I wonder if it should be moved to the full title but that is so long? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I added a sentence about the piece and its dedication to the composer's article. Please consider that there was more detail about his sons, which was removed by an IP, possibly a family member. I think we should make this as unsensational as possible. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:28, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Hello there, this is my third DYK nomination. The first one was ineligible, and the second one was unsuccessful due to me forgetting to credit the original nominator. The third one must be successful, because I have asked the original nominator, Sammi Brie, and the article was recently added to the good articles list.
Created by FaroeFO (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
I wanted to see what another user might come up with, so I let FaroeFO open the nomination. Unfortunately, this is not a hook I would have considered in this form. That said, there's the kernel of something here: Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 09:06, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that a Maryland TV station opened a low-power TV station and started a newscast in hopes of earning more national advertising revenue? [20]
Source: “ Around 1980, she began putting her talents as a designer to work in a professional capacity, creating clothes for productions mounted by avant-garde theater director and playwright Robert Wilson. She would continue to design for him for the next twenty years.”
I’m a little confused by this article as this term only seems to be used in a historical context and I’m a little skeptical about the sources used. I will elaborate further on the talk page. IntentionallyDense(Contribs)02:40, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the writer Laurence Sterne became famous for a bawdy comic novel, and immediately sold a book of sermons? Source: "It is still a matter of some wonderment that, when Laurence Sterne rushed to London in the early winter of 1760 in order to bask in the glory of his newly found career as the author of The Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy, he had the presence of mind to throw some of his sermons into his bag. ... he seized the moment of notoriety to persuade Robert Dodsley to publish them" -- New 1996, p 1
ALT1: ... that the clergyman and novelist Laurence Sterne sold books of his sermons under the name of a self-insert fictional character? Source: "Sterne was fully aware ... that publishing sermons under the name Yorick might give umbrage, although his desire to tie himself as closely as possible to the success of Tristram clearly led to the decision to do so." -- New 1996 p.2. "Parson Yorick (Sterne's own alter ego) is a baffling cocktail of sublime religious humanity and downright lasciviousness" -- Turner 2010 p. 11
Comment: I don't think any of the interesting 18thC prints in the article would "read" at DYK size but I'd value a reviewer's input as to whether this hook should be illustrated.
5x expanded by LEvalyn (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 18 past nominations.
... that Triệu Quân Sự, a convicted murderer who escaped from prison four times, was being caught while playing online games twice?
Source: Escaped four times [21], Twice being caught while playing online games [22]
ALT1: ... that Vietnamese life-sentenced prisoner Triệu Quân Sự said that he escaped from prison because he wanted to get money to play games? Source: [23]
Reviewed:
Created by KhoaNguyen1 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Thank you, I have tried to reword the hook: ALT0a: ... that Vietnamese prisoner Triệu Quân Sự escaped from jail four times, and half of them ended up being caught while playing online games at internet cafés? KhoaNguyen1 (talk) 07:52, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: However, the Nixon Administration put his appointment on hold because Brooke had opposed G. Harrold Carswell's appointment to the Supreme Court and Nixon on other fronts.[1]
ALT1: ... that Harold Putnam was the 59th member of his family to serve in the Massachusetts legislature? Source: He was the 59th member of his family to serve in the Massachusetts General Court.[2]
Reviewed:
Comment: appointment is a little unclear in language, but I can't think of a better word, and "New England Regional Director for the United States Department of Health, Education, and Welfare" is way too long.
That's a good idea, I've rephrased how the article says it, to better align with what the source says, sorry about that. I am a little concerned about using HEW, since that acronym is obscure and likely to be lost on most readers. Perhaps an amended version: ALT0b: " ... that there was speculation Harold Putnam's appointment to a government position was delayed to punish an enemy of Richard Nixon?" The only thing slightly dubious there is calling Edward Brooke an enemy of Richard Nixon, so maybe: ALT0c: " ... that there was speculation Harold Putnam's appointment to a government position was delayed to punish Edward Brooke for being insufficiently loyal to Richard Nixon?" Or, in the pursuit of getting readers to click on Putnam's article, since Brooke would rightfully draw some clicks ALT0d: " ... that there was speculation Harold Putnam's appointment to a government position was delayed to punish an ally for being insufficiently loyal to Richard Nixon?" 1brianm7 (talk) 12:02, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure any of these hooks meet requirements. The label "America's Mother Teresa" doesn't make for a good hook and arguably violates the neutrality requirement imv because it focuses on a comparison a few people have made rather than the subject's own accomplishments. At least one of the sources comes off as laudatory to the subject. ALT1 is not suitable in its current form, it is not surprising or attention-grabbing that someone got a citizenship award for doing good deeds. ALT3 has the same problem as ALT0. (t · c) buidhe08:19, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Buidhe: To clarify, is this a full review (or the start of one), or are you making comments?
As for "America's Mother Teresa", breaking neutrality would be saying "... that Mary Jo Copeland is America's Mother Teresa because she's an amazing person"; stating that she has been called something because of actions she's done is perfectly neutral. All the sources for these hooks meet WP:RS. As far as hookiness, per WP:DYKINT, "Intriguing hooks leave the reader wanting to know more"; I imagine that people reading ALT1 would very well be interested in learning more about what Sharing and Carings Hands is, and Copeland's role in it.
I will review the article once a suitable hook appears. I do believe that we should avoid hooks that read as promotional about living people, I don't think that's controversial. None of the hooks talk about concrete accomplishment other than the organization existing, just various kudos that the article topic has received. "issues" is rather vague (t · c) buidhe13:31, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't really see the need for this; I've yet to see a compelling argument that any of these hooks are unduly "promotional" without the "America's Mother Teresa" wording. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs14:54, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Both articles were created shortly before nomination. Both are long enough. I see no copyright issues. I do see some issues, though.
The article does seem a little bit promotional. I think the information about abuse should be attributed to her, as it is in the cited source, e.g. "Copeland says that" or "Copeland recalls". "Mean treatment" strikes me as a bit childish or even promotional; the article seems to paint her as a martyr at every turn. This can be easily avoided if, instead of just saying that people were mean to her at school, we also said what the cited source says in the title: that she received an apology from the school and its former students.
Why define her as a mother in the lead sentence? I do not think that is her claim to notability.
I see that the article is in Category:Catholics from Minnesota, but she is not defined as Catholic anywhere in the article. It is heavily implied, yes, but not explicitly stated and it seems relevant.
The NY Times article says that Copeland "angered the foster-care establishment and sharply divided public opinion"; mentioning that or even exploring it further, if possible, might help balance the article.
Is Mary's Place a part of Sharing and Caring Hands? This is implied in both articles but not made clear in either.
There is a bit of a MOS:OVERSECTION problem at Sharing and Caring Hands. All but one of the five sections + lead consist of only a single paragraph, and all but one of these paragraphs are rather short too. When the article is stripped of all the sections, the text is barely longer than the infobox on my browser. I would recommend resectioning or desectioning.
I too would rather see her called Mary Jo Copeland than "America's Mother Theresa", but my reasoning is that she deserves to have her own name mentioned and not be called by someone else's.
ALT2: ... that visitors to the site of the Morozova Mansion have included Alexander Pushkin, Nikolai Gogol, Anton Chekhov, Maxim Gorky, Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Winston Churchill, and Condoleezza Rice? Source: See various in article
ALT3: ... that the design of Moscow's Morozova Mansion was inspired by English neo-Gothic cathedrals? Source:
Overall: @Launchballer: Spotchecked sources 1, 10, 17, 30, and 82. They seem good. Article is over a 1500 bytes for DYK, recently made into a GA (nice work btw!). Hook is interested as I don't think I've ever heard of a policy like that one before. Earwig shows up fine. QPQ is needed. Arconning (talk) 12:04, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Possible Hook: Did you know The USNSCC includes 325 units distributed across 48 states, Guam and Puerto Rico, involving approximately 5,600 Sea Cadets and over 2,600 adult volunteers? Tokeamour (talk) 5:46, 5 September 2025 (UTC)
Source: "World Metrology Day - 20 May 2025". [26] International Bureau of Weights and Measures and International Organization of Legal Metrology. "…the signing of the Metre Convention in Paris, in 1875 … provides the basis for a worldwide coherent measurement system that underpins scientific discovery and innovation, industrial manufacturing and international trade…"
Source: "Anniversary – Metre Convention". [27] Anniversary - Metre Convention - BIPM. International Bureau of Weights and Measures. Retrieved 20 August 2025. Measurements underpin every aspect of modern life—from ensuring fair trade and advancing technology to addressing critical global challenges like healthcare and food safety. The Metre Convention established the foundation for reliable, consistent and traceable measurement standards, which are essential for fostering trust and cooperation in a globalized world."
ALT1: ... that for more than a century, platinum‑alloy cylinders(pictured) underpinned global trust in scientific discovery, industrial manufacturing, and international trade?
Comment: Not a review but, I bolded the article you are nominating and italized the pictured. Please do this next time when you are nominating. Thanks.
ALT3: ... that many Fulani people, traditionally marginalised by governments in Benin, have turned instead towards jihadist insurgents? Source: See "Local and political factors contributing to the insurgency" subsection.
ALT3: ... that a member of Malpas helped make music for Sigur Rós, then made music that sounded like Sigur Rós? Source: Same as ALT2
ALT4: ... that Malpas have combined ukeleles with trip hop and mandolins with electronica? Source: Ukelele with trip-hop: various sentences from this review. Mandolins with electronica: quote from Aesthetica issue 66 - "Blending hypnotic electronica with the sound of mandolins..."
Comment: ALT2 is definitely the better version of that hook, but I included ALT3 just in case "made music" is considered too inaccurate considering Savours only produced and/or engineered for Sigur Rós. Apologies for so many hook choices, but I genuinely couldn't pare it down myself.
Moved to mainspace by Suntooooth (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 15 past nominations.
... that in March 2024, one detainee at Antwerp prison was tortured for several days in an overcrowded cell?
Source: "Overcrowding blamed after inmate tortured in Antwerp prison". Belga News Agency. 2024-03-13. Unions said the man, held in a cell designed for three, was tortured by five cellmates over several days while guards were overwhelmed by overcrowding and understaffing.
ALT1: ... that a central observation platform at the 19th-century Antwerp prison allows guards to simultaneously monitor four wings of cells? Source: "Gevangenis van Antwerpen" (in Dutch). Onroerend Erfgoed. Aan de ingang herinnert een gedenkplaat aan de terechtgestelden en politieke gevangenen uit beide wereldoorlogen.
... that the society of Champa, a medieval state in modern Vietnam, adopted Indian astronomy, calendars, writing scripts, religion, social hierarchy, and political systems?
Source: See very many throughout article.
ALT1: ... that one issue with understanding the society of Champa is that available inscriptions are concerned near-exclusively with the elite, and ignore ordinary people? Source: Shveyer 2014, p. 222.
Comment: Definitely open to suggestions here, these two are the first hooks that popped into my head and they're both pretty similar.
Comment: Checked for copyvio w/earwig. Looks OK. Most similar phrase was a list of charges, which can't be rephrased. But need to address flagged lede. Dhaluza (talk) 01:58, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Created by CommissarDoggo (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
... that the "two Ibnu" refers to Ibnu Said and Ibnu Wahyutomo, two diplomats who carried out bureaucratic reforms within Indonesia's foreign ministry? Source: Surya, M. Aji (June 2013). "Percayakan Pada Duo Ibnu" (PDF). QuAs (in Indonesian). Inspektorat Jenderal Kementerian Luar Negeri. Retrieved 16 August 2025.
Source: "... the court convicted Suitbert of fraud... the court sentenced Suitbert to five years in the prison at Hoorn... (p. 470)... Mollinger’s collection is by far the largest and rarest in the United States (p. 447)" (all from Finding Father Mollinger: The Historiography of a Catholic Priest).
... that Nereus Mendenhall(pictured) led a delegation to the Confederate States Congress in April 1862 to allow military exemption in the Confederate Army for Quakers?
A 5x expansion has been verified by DYK check and I did not find any close paraphrasing. A QPQ has been verified and it is a complete review. The article is long enough for DYK purposes and meets the referencing guidelines.
However, the hook is problematic. Firstly, it is not directly stated in the article: nowhere does it say that it was "marketed with copies signed by Henrietta Stannard". Second, even if the claim was mentioned, it doesn't seem to actually be referenced. Thirdly, and most worryingly, even if those issues were addressed, the hook would not meet WP:DYKINT. The context here is that Winter is actually Stannard's penname, but the average reader may not be familiar with either name, so the connection is lost. Even without the context, the hook does not seem very interesting if the reader is unfamiliar with Stannard and her work (FWIW I've never heard of her prior to this nomination).
My apologies for the delay— my off-wiki life has been tumultuous this week. In the next few days I can look for an alternative hook; there may be something I can add to the article with the film adaptation. I personally don’t think the hook relies on knowing either name (she’s a completely obscure author) but I think it’s interesting that she basically makes her pseudonym useless (which I think the cited ad verifies); I may be able to come up with a better wording for that idea. Regardless I’d appreciate a few days to work on it, please, with my thanks for your thorough review. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 20:33, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Narutolovehinata5, what do you think about ALT01: ...that Henrietta Stannard autographed copies of John Strange Winter’s novel Lady Jennifer?
That phrasing is definitely verified by the ad, which has the headline Autographed Copies of John Strange Winter's Latest Novel and says Mrs. Stannard ("John Strange Winter") will be pleased to send a specially signed copy... My aim is to intrigue someone who has never heard of either name -- I think it's interesting that she's a woman with a male pseudonym who is undermining that pseudonym with her marketing campaign.
Or, perhaps another angle is something like ALT02: ...that Henrietta Stannard bundled her novel Lady Jennifer with promotional materials for John Strange Winter's Toilet Preparations?
I'd have to beef it up in the article a bit but the mail-in autograph promo automatically gave a free copy of Comely Woman with every Lady Jennifer, and elsewhere I've seen info about how this book basically just sold her cosmetics line. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 20:04, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Regrettably, I do not think this Stannard/Strange Winter angle will work out, as the main issue (that the hooks do not make sense or will not interest people who do not know either name or at least the context) remains. I understand what you're trying to get to, but it's not showing in the hook proposals, and given what is in the article, the angle just seems like a non-starter. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:16, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You don't think the cosmetics line part is any better? I didn't think that one relied on the author's names, and in fact we could remove Stannard's name entirely, i.e., ALT03: ... that the novel Lady Jennifer cross-promoted John Strange Winter's Toilet Preparations? (Again, I'd be able to beef up the article properly for that if it seemed like an interesting angle.) I thought "Toilet Preparations" might also be an intriguing product name for a general audience. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 23:17, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3 is a bit of a weird one in that I'm 50-50. On the one hand, it doesn't solve the "you must know who John Strange Winter" issue, but on the other hand, the name itself along with "Toilet Preparations" might be enough to raise attention. I'm undecided at this point, so I think it might be a good idea to ask for a second opinion from one of the usual DYK scrutinizers like RoySmith, Amakuru, Launchballer, etc. I should note that, if ever, only ALT3 is under consideration, and all the other hooks, particularly those involving the name Henrietta Stannard, are rejected. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:11, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I wrote all of the film material after the 5x expansion so it's not needed to meet that criteria. Also, I am in the process of merging the articles on the WP:PAGEDECIDE principle that there is no need to have two articles and a DAB for a topic with so little (relatively) to say. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 23:09, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that a lowly garrison soldier(pictured in old age) was responsible for relocating the Western Han capital from Luoyang to Chang'an?
Source: Hung Hing Ming (2011), The Road to the Throne: How Liu Bang Founded China's Han Dynasty, New York: Algora Publishing, pp. 172–4 (in English), largely cribbing the Book of Han biography of Lou Jing (in Chinese).
ALT1: ... that a lowly garrison soldier(pictured in old age) was credited with the decision to relocate the Chinese capital from Luoyang to Chang'an? Source: idem.
ALT2: ... that Liu Bang was set to have the Western Han capital at Luoyang until Lou Jing(pictured) convinced him otherwise? Source: idem.
ALT3: ... that Liu Bang, the first emperor of China's Han dynasty, not only listened to a grunt soldier's complaints about his capital but acted on the advice and elevated the soldier to a lordship? Source: idem.
ALT4: ... that Lou Jing (pictured) convinced the Han emperor Liu Bang of the necessity of marrying his eldest daughter to steppe nomads but the Empress Lü had other ideas? Source: Book of Han biography of Lou Jing (in Chinese).
ALT5: ... that Liu Bang, the first emperor of China's Han dynasty, was so impressed by a grunt soldier's complaints about his capital that he renamed the soldier to make him part of the imperial family? Source: Hung Hing Ming (2011), The Road to the Throne: How Liu Bang Founded China's Han Dynasty, New York: Algora Publishing, pp. 172–4 (in English), largely cribbing the Book of Han biography of Lou Jing (in Chinese).
Comment: 1st, don't worry. You only need to check the hook most interesting to you. 2nd, kindly do not add any links to the provided hooks. DYK is here to drive traffic to new/improved articles. People curious about Liu Bang, Chang'an, or the Xiongnu can get there from the links in the Lou Jing page and don't need them in the hooks themselves.
Created by LlywelynII (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 90 past nominations.
Not a review, but would you be open with a version of the original hook that does not mention either Luoyang to Chang'an and just focuses on the Western Han's capital being moved? That fact is probably more important than the specific cities, and it may also solve any concerns about additional links. As an aside, my suggestion would be that, in future nominations, you tone down your comments about hook links, as it may be misinterpreted as being too aggressive by reviewers. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:46, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Walter Bgoya published a novel by Aniceti Kitereza almost 30 years after it had been written? Source: Carter, J. Roger (January 1982). "Aniceti Kitereza - the story of a Tanzanian writer". Tanzanian Affairs.
ALT1: ... that Walter Bgoya said African intellectuals have a responsibility to raise awareness of the poverty of politics? Source: "Tanzanian Publisher Mkuki na Nyota Is Championing Kiswahili Literature on the Global Stage". Brittle Paper. 18 December 2024.
ALT2: ... that Walter Bgoya said Kiswahili is more than a language—it’s a unifying force in East Africa? Source: "Tanzanian Publisher Mkuki na Nyota Is Championing Kiswahili Literature on the Global Stage". Brittle Paper. 18 December 2024.
ALT3: ... that Walter Bgoya's son published the first African-language translation of a novel by Nobel Prize winner Abdulrazak Gurnah? Source: Chalamilla, Karen (30 July 2024). "Mkuki Bgoya: "Swahili writers should be mandatory reading in Tanzania, but there's a deep trauma around books"". African Arguments.
Comment: I'm a bit hesitant to use this hook as it can be applicable to those stations. If anyone can find any ideas on the station's mural, it'll be heavily appreciated! Would like ALT1 to run, ALT0 could be used for other articles, like Aljunied MRT station, if it were to be nominated for DYK.
Improved to Good Article status by Icepinner (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.
ALT1: ... that Kembangan station is decorated with murals of a church and a mosque?
@Hassocks5489: sure, that works. It's just that in Singapore (among other places, presumebly), having a mosque and a church in the same place is a ubiquitous sight, so I didn't really think of it. I like the juxtaposition in ALT1, thanks for the suggestion :) Icepinner12:08, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Not a happy article for me as I'm a Coventry supporter 😀 but it was an interesting match overall. Happy to hear alt suggestions for hooks - if the above doesn't work then perhaps an alternative angle on Luton going from non-league to premier league, or the fact that both the two teams were playing in League Two in 2018?
Improved to Good Article status by Amakuru (talk) and Egghead06 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 19 past nominations.
Overall: New enough and long enough. Sufficiently sourced and Earwig finds no problems. Hook caught my eye when looking at noms so I know its interesting. Hook is cited and is mention in article. All good here. PizzaKing13 (¡Hablame!) 🍕👑 09:42, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Prince Consort Gallery was originally used to display "many of the most interesting and costly possessions" in the Victoria and Albert museum?
... that sculptures from the series Lynch Fragments by Melvin Edwards are made with metal scraps and objects like axes, barbed wire, chains, nails, padlocks, spikes and wrenches?
Source: Brenson, Michael (1993), "Lynch Fragments", in Gedeon, Lucinda H. (ed.), Melvin Edwards Sculpture: A Thirty-Year Retrospective, 1963–1993, University of Washington Press/Neuberger Museum of Art, p. 21: "They may retain a high degree of literalness and an air of practicality because of their bolts, chains, gears, hammers, jacks, nails, padlocks, scissors, spikes, and wrenches, but their compositional exchanges, sculptural unity, and poetic suggestiveness are always more persuasive [...]"
Gregg, Gail (February 1995), "Poetry in Heavy Metal", ARTnews, vol. 94, no. 2, p. 106: "Relics of his own childhood in the segregated south are woven throughout his steel relief pieces: bicycle chains, auto parts, barbed wire, cups, knives, farming implements."
Moura, Rodrigo (2018), "Lynch Fragments: Pieces of Life, Shards of History", In Pedrosa, Adriano; Moura, Rodrigo (eds.), Melvin Edwards: Lynch Fragments, Sao Paulo Museum of Art, p. 9: "Shovels, axes, rakes, and horseshoes evoke the rural context of the U.S. South, where the artist's ancestors settled and where he spent part of his childhood [...]"
Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by 19h00s (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Over the past few months, there have been chronic reports of individuals posing as Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officials, in many cases using these guises to commit unlawful acts. Impersonation of law enforcement is not an uncommon occurrence in the United States, but the Trump administration’s aggressive immigration policies, and the particular ways in which ICE enjoys anonymity, have led to increased opportunities for such behavior, endangering and exploiting immigrants and their communities, regardless of their status.
Neutrality is an internal-to-the-project factor, not a wider-world factor. We piss off someone with everything we do. The new article is literally downstream by (many) RS from the blunt name of the second article. — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs)15:47, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is mentioning Trump's name actually necessary for the hook fact? Isn't there a way to say the same thing or idea without mentioning him? To others, even just saying that impersonation exists may be an interesting-enough fact regardless of the reason (even if the reason might be obvious). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:01, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if "chronic crime problem" is the best wording here, but that's getting close. The idea I had was something like, instead of saying it was a crime, the interesting fact here is that the issue exists at all, or to reverse the order of their mention. Something like "that deportation policies led to a rise in impersonation". Another possible option would be to avoid mentioning the deportation policies and instead to say that "there has been a rise of impersonations since [year]" or something along the lines of that fact; this is not just to avoid mentioning the policies, but it also avoids mentioning the reason, thus "hooking" readers to read the article and learn why it is happening. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:41, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mean a structrual flip like this? I feel like excluding the c-word here could be problematic so basically every source frames it in that context. Any instance of it is literally a Federal crime, automatically.
... that the earliest evidence of vocal learning in waterfowl was a musk duck named Ripper saying "you bloody fool"?
Source: ten Cate, Carel (2021). "Re-evaluating vocal production learning in non-oscine birds". Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences. 376 (1836) 20200249. doi.org/10.1098/rstb.2020.0249
ALT1: ... that a musk duck named Ripper could say "you bloody fool"? Source: Lu, Donna (7 September 2021). "'You bloody fool': Australian talking duck can imitate speech". The Guardian
Reviewed:
Created by Ethmostigmus (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Overall: Article is new enough, long enough, well sourced and neutral. It is plagiarism free, with no concerns raised by Earwig. Hooks are cited and interesting. No QPQ required as it is the nominator's first DYK. I marked one vague time statement with [when?] and it could be great if that could be more precise. I think the lead could be extended a little too. Neither of these is a deal breaker for DYK tho. For the nominations, DYK as a whole is very cautious of 'firsts' and 'earliests' - with this in mind ALT0 would be more precise if "one of" was added in (which is also described right at the bottom of the article). ALT1 is OK I think. Overall it's a really nice article and a welcome addition to Wikipedia. Welcome to the DYK project too. Lajmmoore (talk) 13:20, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Lucy, so sorry I missed this! I'm happy to add a qualifier to ALT0 (maybe "that the earliest evidence of vocal learning in waterfowl is believed to be a musk duck named Ripper saying "you bloody fool?") or change ALT0 altogether to something along the lines of "that a musk duck that could say "you bloody fool" is among the earliest evidence of vocal learning in waterfowl?" - happy with whatever you/the promoter think is best! Re: the imprecise death date marked with [when?], I have no way of narrowing this down - the only source that mentions Ripper's death is the Washington Post article, which simply states that "Ripper is no longer alive". I suspect that a precise date is unknown due to the bushfires that destroyed most records at Tidbinbilla in 2003, but no source explicitly confirms this. I'm not really sure how to improve on this - would it be best to simply remove any mention of Ripper being deceased? Cheers, Ethmostigmus 🌿 (talk | contribs) 02:57, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. So, I think any of those wordings would work - I would just list them as ALTs below here. As for the death, I'd switch the sentence to something like "In a 2021 article, WP reported Ripper as dead ..." - that at least makes it clear what the reportage in the source is. As reviewer I can review the nominations, but the promoters are the ones that choose which ALT might run on the front page. Lajmmoore (talk) 20:36, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that although Gene White was not highly recruited to play college football, he "just showed up" for his college's team and went on to later play in the NFL?
... that as the University of Edinburgh's chaplain, Harriet Harris (pictured) appointed more than 40 honorary chaplains to serve traditions including Daoism, humanism, paganism and mindfulness?
Source: "A statement announcing her appointment said that Harris has increased Edinburgh’s chaplaincy staff from three and a half to nine staff and over 40 honorary chaplains and volunteer listeners. ...She has made pioneering appointments of Daoist, humanist, pagan, LGBT+, and mindfulness chaplains." The Living Church, https://livingchurch.org/news/news-anglican-communion/multifaith-chaplain-to-lead-ripon-college-cuddesdon/
ALT1: ... that future NFL player Cal Clemens got into football because there was a high school team near the coal company he worked at? Source: LA Times
Source: ""Mina" was, however, as Hall correctly notes, certainly a term which was applied in Brazil, in some contexts, to speakers of Gbe languages. The "Casa das Minas [House of the Minas]" in Sao Luis in the province of Maranhao, for example, is a cult-house of specifically Dahomian origin, venerating spirits associated with the royal dynasty of Dahomey."Law, Robin (2005). "Ethnicities of Enslaved Africans in the Diaspora: On the Meanings of "Mina" (Again)". History in Africa. 32: 258. doi:10.1353/hia.2005.0014. ISSN0361-5413.
"The name "Minas" remained in use under French colonial rule in the twentieth century, and indeed down to the present, to refer to the inhabitants of Agbodrafo, Aneho and Glidji, and Agoue; although there remains an awareness locally that it should properly be applied only to the Elmina element in Aneho (and its offshoots), a.s distinct from the Gas at Glidji.33 It is not quite accurate, however, to state as does Hall, that these people "call themselves" Mina.34 Rather, this is an external, European coinage, which is nowadays used locally only when speaking in French. At a conference held at Aneho in 2000, I recall a member of the local community insisting that "the Minas exist only for scholars," the self-appellation of the people in their own language being "Gen.""Law, Robin (2005). "Ethnicities of Enslaved Africans in the Diaspora: On the Meanings of "Mina" (Again)". History in Africa. 32: 258. doi:10.1353/hia.2005.0014. ISSN0361-5413.
The Accidental Burning of the USS Missouri in Gibraltar
... that as USS Missouri(pictured) burned, a guard was ordered to protect the ship's alcohol amid the chaos?
Source: he whole berth deck was soon on fire and flames shot up through the after hatchways. The gunner was given the keys to the after magazine in which 5745 lbs. of powder were stored, and ordered to “drown” it immediately, this was done...A sentry was placed over the spirit room...arm chests containing powder horns and loaded shells were hoisted by both marines and seamen and thrown over the side. The engine pumps continued to work but from this time on it became the usual story of an uncontrollable fire on a wooden ship...
ALT1: ... that the only casualty from the destruction of USS Missouri(pictured) was a pet bear?
Source: No one was lost...Of the crew's pets a big Newfoundland dog was saved but a bear, a mascot from the Ontario, could not be induced to leave and perished on board."
ALT2: ... that the US Minister to China ran aboard the burning USS Missouri(pictured) to recover a letter?
Source: 'the captain, accompanied by Cushing, returned to the ship inside of 20 minutes, with the latter hurrying immediately to his cabin to save the trunk that contained his official papers.' from ‘An Ornament to the Navy’ By Robert J. Cressman
ALT3: ... that the only casualty in the destruction of the USS Missouri was the ship's mascot, a bear?
Source: No one was lost...Of the crew's pets a big Newfoundland dog was saved but a bear, a mascot from the Ontario, could not be induced to leave and perished on board."
... that Pythagorean addition, available in many programming libraries as hypot, can compute distances, polar coordinates, and the relativistic energy of moving objects?
Source:
available in many languages as hypot: van der Leun, Vincent (2017). "Java Class Library". Introduction to JVM Languages: Java, Scala, Clojure, Kotlin, and Groovy. Packt Publishing Ltd. pp. 10–11.
distances: Manglik, Rohit (2024). "Section 14.22: Math.hypot". Java Script Notes for Professionals. EduGorilla. p. 144.
polar coordinates: "SIN (3M): Trigonometric functions and their inverses". Unix Programmer's Manual: Reference Guide (4.3 Berkeley Software Distribution Virtual VAX-11 Version ed.). Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, University of California, Berkeley. April 1986.
relativistic energy: Kuehn, Kerry (2015). A Student's Guide Through the Great Physics Texts: Volume II: Space, Time and Motion. Undergraduate Lecture Notes in Physics. Springer New York. p. 372. doi:10.1007/978-1-4939-1366-4. ISBN 9781493913664.
Comment: Currrently waiting for Link20XX or another editor to fill-up the Discography section; if the current empty section will be an issue then I can temporarily remove that per WP:DYKCOMPLETE. Other hook suggestions are welcome.
Created by Narutolovehinata5 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 117 past nominations.
Adequate sourcing: - Almost everything in the "While in university" paragraph or the last two of the three paragraphs in "Musical style and influences" can't be verified by the ref, though [35] confirms them; the sole exception is how "Believe" was inspired, already verified by the Natalie ref. No other issues tho.
Interesting: - "Inspired by [genre]" hooks aren't the most interesting. Given the amount of info here, surely we can do better than this, for example the "work inspired by difficult experiences in Canada" and "sunday church choir" parts would be a more interesting idea for a hook.
@Miraclepine: How does this sound? I'm not sure what direction to go to with the "difficult experiences in Canada" aspect, so any suggestions on that front is welcome.
ALT1 ... that Japanese singer Riho Furui was part of a Sunday church choir?
As for the referencing, it turned out that I had accidentally used the wrong PIA Music source for those specific claims and mixed it up with another PIA Music interview that I also used; I have replaced it with the correct source. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:29, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Article written by Gerda Arendt, nominated by me on her behalf: she did the QPQ for Schnee. Gerda might have a better idea for a hook which she is welcome to leave as an alternate suggestion. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 16:15, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Improved to Good Article status by Gerda Arendt (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.
... that singer Tomoo's song "Lucky" mentions juice as a reference to several scenes in the manga City of characters buying juice? Source: [36] ("TOMOO：ジュースは、どうしても入れたかったんですよ。作中でもジュースを買うシーンが何度か出てきて、真壁まつりちゃんも買っていたし、他にもそんなシーンがあったような……当たり付きのジュースだったかな？ なんだかいいなって思ったんですよね。")
ALT0a: ... that for the ending theme to City: The Animation, Tomoo was inspired to mention juice by multiple scenes of people buying it in the anime?
ALT1: ... that singer Tomoo was once unhappy with her performance in a singing contest, despite being chosen as one of its finalists? Source: [37] ("ファイナリストに選んでいただいたのは光栄なことなんですが、正直に言うと、そのコンテストでめちゃくちゃ打ちのめされたというか、挫折を味わって。" "全然うまく歌えなかったんですよね。")
ALT2: ... that Tomoo decided to pursue a singing career after reading a letter from a friend? Source: [38] ("中2になって初めて心の中のことまでちょっと踏み込んで話せるような特別な友達ができるんです。ある日その子が小さな手紙を私に書いてくれて、その手紙にすごく感動することが書いてあったから私も返事を書こうと思ったけどうまく書けなくて、どうしようか悩んでいたら手紙よりも先に曲ができちゃって。それで誰もいない音楽室にその友達を呼び出して、手紙の返事の代わりに曲を聴かせたら「音楽で何か目指したほうがいいと思うよ」と言ってくれて。")
Comment: Other hook suggestions are welcome. I could fill out the Discography section during the review process, or I can just delete it for now if I can't do it within a reasonable timeframe.
Created by Narutolovehinata5 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 118 past nominations.
... that the 14th-century Emirate of Erzincan was a centre of literary exchange and production?
Source: Tanındı 2012, pp. 222–223.
ALT1: ... that although the rulers of the 14th-century Emirate of Erzincan were Muslims, its major cities were primarily Christian? Source: Bryer 1975, p. 125.
ALT1: ... that DSA cadets once observed a tradition of paying respect to the spirit Ko Myo Shin in the days before graduation to ensure a successful military career? Source: "ဗိုလ်လောင်းကို နတ်ပြရခြင်း". The Irrawaddy (in Burmese). 3 August 2011.
Source: Shiao, Ling A. (2009). Printing, Reading, and Revolution: Kaiming Press and the Cultural Transformation of Republican China (PhD thesis). Brown University. pp. 64 to 68
... that Gilles of Saumur was the first and only Archbishop of Damietta, which was briefly captured during the Seventh Crusade?
Source: Pierre-Vincent Claverie, “De l’entourage royal à l’entourage pontifical : l’exemple méconnu de l’archevêque Gilles de Tyr († 1266)”, in À l’ombre du Pouvoir : Les entourages princiers au Moyen Âge, ed. Jean-Louis Kupper and Alain Marchandisse (Presses universitaires de Liège, 2003), p. 50.
Excellent new article. The hook is a very interesting fact about history. Only comment is perhaps {{lead too short}}. Moondragon21 (talk) 21:35 31 August 2025 (UTC)
Source: Umpleby 1910 Ch 1 paragraph 3, "Principle features" opening sentence calls out Granite Mountian, Copper Mountain, and Gibraltar Mountain
ALT1: ... that the western face of the 3,784 ft (1,153 m) tall Gibraltar Mountain(pictured) is noted to be precipitous? Source: Bancroft 1914 page 137 Topography "With the exception of the west side of Gibraltar Mountain, which is rather steep, the slopes in this area are not precipitous".
Source: Al-Houdalieh, Salah H. (2014). "The Byzantine Church of Khirbet et-Tireh". Journal of Eastern Mediterranean Archaeology and Heritage Studies. 2 (3): 188–208. doi:10.5325/jeasmedarcherstu.2.3.0188.
Quotes: "Vermont resident students studying in the Colleges of Arts and Sciences and Engineering paid the same tuition rate ($625) as out-of-state students, the highest-in-state tuition then charged by any state university in the United States" (p. 284) [...] "All in all, Borgmann had won a major victory. He had won a university-wide appropriation for UVM, he had cut tuition for most Vermont students nearly in half, and he had also established the principle de facto that the rate of in-state tuition was directly related to the size of the appropriation provided by the State of Vermont." (p. 291).
... that Alexander McQueen's second runway show, Banshee (Autumn/Winter 1994), featured a pregnant skinhead, a model in a plaster corset, and a woman pretending to put her finger in her vagina? Source: Gods and Kings p. 118 (pregnant skinhead & vagina situation) and Blood Beneath the Skin (pregnant model p 116 & plaster corset p 114)
@Crispybeatle: Unless I'm missing something, it looks like you are nominating two completely separate articles, with the intent of having both hooks run. Dual nominations like this are reserved for when you're nominating a hook that includes multiple bold-faced articles. Please create a separate nomination for Canción Animal. Otherwise, a reviewer looking at this may approve only one of your hooks. (Also, the article you're nominating should be in boldface for both hooks.) Epicgenius (talk) 13:36, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't intended to be a full review, but this feels cluttered - why does it matter that she was the director of something unrelated? - and not particularly interesting. "Singer does job of singing" isn't hooky. ♠PMC♠ (talk)03:03, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's to say that she singer and (later) even leader of a national opera (mentioning Mexico) still did that film work. It's the contrast which makes it interesting, imho. Each fact alone would be less interesting, although a woman leading a national company is still uncommon. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:38, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The film is popular, so I believe that readers from the Spanish-speaking world may immediately remember a voice of which they didn't know it was an opera singer's. The fact is in the headline of the obit. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:42, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It's a newer article, might be a bit rough, but I think it would be good for a DYK given the somewhat comedic nature of the comic as a meme with a good hook
Created by Jessica3801 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Source: for 'first Chinese literary magazine for women': Sun, Liying; Hockx, Michel (2019). "Dangerous Fiction and Obscene Images: Textual-Visual Interplay in the Banned Magazine Meiyu and Lu Xun's Role as Censor, pp. 36–37
for 'censored for its sexual content': Hockx, Michel. "Raising Eyebrows: The Journal Eyebrow Talk and the Regulation of 'Harmful Fiction' in Modern China". p. 77, 85
for 'censored for its nudity': Sun & Hockx 2019, pp. 38–40
Source: "...Angus Watt, who not only continued to run a successful financial planning company and broadcast each week on Global TV Edmonton and 630 CHED, but found time as Honorary Consul of the Netherlands to visit Queen Beatrix. Watt is also the honorary lieutenant-colonel of the Southern Alberta Light Horse (SALH)."
ALT1: ... that Angus Watt started his finance career mainly because of where his girlfriend's friend's father worked?
Source: "After graduating in 1974, Watt immediately became a rookie at McLeod Young Weir in Toronto. At the time, the father of a friend of his girlfriend’s worked there—the main reason Watt joined." (Advisor's Edge)
Comment: Main hook uses "once" twice because he eventually retired from the diplomatic roles but is still an active financial advisor. Should the hook note the roles are honorary?
Created by Yeeno (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.
The article notes: "The Tour de Macao cycling race, held over a course of approximately 30 miles on Sunday (five times round Macao), was marred by an unfortunate accident which put out two riders, including Mike Watson of Hongkong, from the race."
The article notes: "The accident occurred minutes after the commencement. Speeding along the Inner Harbour road, two of the leading riders swerved to avoid hitting a dog crossing the road, and collided. Watson, trailing behind, and, Caetano, a Portuguese soldier, also piled up on the road as a result. The victims were rushed to the hospital by an ambulance, but it was later announced that both Watson and Caetano had sufiered only minor injuries."
ALT1: ... that Olympian Michael Watson had at various times been the recordholder for nearly every Hong Kong cycling title? Source: Myatt, Carl (1964-09-13). "Tokyo entry crowns series of astonishing achievements by ... Hongkong's pedal pushers. From infamy to manhood in four short years". South China Morning Post. p. 30. ProQuest1507376827.
The article notes: "Like most Hongkong sports organisations, the Cycling Association had its teething troubles, and is still not out of the rough. ... This year, the HKCA reached another milestone in its briet history by entering a team for the Olympic Games—a team of three Chinese riders and a European team manager who will double up as reserve. The riders are the Chow twins, Kwong-choi and Kwong-man, and Mok Sau-hei all of South China. Team manager, reserve and mechanic is Mike Watson. ... Watson, a Yorkshireman by birth, has at one time or another held nearly all the colony titles. He is 26-year-old police oficer who would almost certainly have been first choice for the team but for the fact that he developed fibrositis in the small of his back, and was forced to ease up at the peak of his Olympic preparations:"
ALT2: ... that fifty years after his death, a Klamath tribeswoman argued that Albert Gatschet's (pictured) work on her people could "never be surpassed or even equaled"? Source: Source
... that Mukund Varadarajan killed two terrorist commanders in South Kashmir before succumbing to the wounds the second inflicted?
Source: Shiv Aroor; Rahul Singh (2017). India's most fearless: True Stories of Modern Military Heroes. Penguin Random House. pp. 137–139, 145. ISBN978-9-38681-542-2.
... that one Chinese general remained detained for over fifty years after the 1936 Xi'an Incident?
Source: Eastman 1991, pp. 48–49.
ALT1: ... that during the 1936 Xi'an Incident, Joseph Stalin ordered the Chinese Communist Party to keep their surprise prisoner Chiang Kai-shek alive? Source: Pantsov 2023, p. 249, van de Ven 2003, p. 187.
ALT2: ... that the site of Chiang Kai-Shek's arrest during the 1936 Xi'an Incident remains a popular tourist attraction? Source: Itoh 2016, p. 143.
... that Barbara Buczek intentionally composed music so that it was nearly impossible to perform all of its intricacies?
Source: [43] "She wrote pieces with such a complicated texture and so difficult to perform that a precise realisation of all of the details of the composition is almost impossible."
ALT1: ... that Barbara Buczek intentionally composed music so that it was nearly impossible to perform all of its intricacies, and called it the "charm of impossibility"? Source: [44] "She wrote pieces with such a complicated texture and so difficult to perform that a precise realisation of all of the details of the composition is almost impossible. The composer defined this idea as "the charm of impossibility.""
Comment: 5x expansion: 161 words when nominated for deletion was !keep; now 938 a day after the close of AFD, and I have another dozen+ sources I'm still going through. Will likely get up to around 1200-1300 words.
5x expanded by Very Polite Person (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.
Richard Raaphorst, film director, screenwriter and storyboard artist
... that Dutch filmmaker Richard Raaphorst claimed a boss character in Resident Evil Village copied the design of a monster he created for his 2013 film Frankenstein's Army?
ALT1: ... that Richard Raaphorst alleged a monster from his 2013 film Frankenstein's Army was copied without credit for a boss character in Resident Evil Village?
Reviewed:
Created by AdobongPogi (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Cited: - Are we misinterpreting the source? The headline is (translated to en) "On Tuesday, Alan Walker became the first Nordic artist to reach 20 million subscribers on his YouTube channel." Is the word 'artist' critical in the distinction? If so, the hook must clarify this. (See below for similar question regarding others who might have this distinction given a different interpretation)
Interesting:
Other problems: - Two further questions:
Is there a reason to use "Scandinavian" in the hook when both the article and the source use "Nordic"? Could you comment on the distinction and whether the wording matters or makes a difference? Would "Nordic" be a more impressive claim as it covers a greater area?
are we creating a distinction between an individual with a total number of subscribers, or a single channel with that number of subscribers? (i.e. someone with multiple channels adding up to 20 million versus a single person with a single channel)? I'd imagine we're talking the latter, as our PewDiePie article says he was at 50 million in 2013. I'd like to see some clarity in the article too – perhaps with a footnote?
Overall: I don't think the image works at this size – it's very dark and with the size of images at DYK, I think it'd just be a dark rectangle. Is there a reason to choose File:Alan Walker Jimmy Fallon Show 2018.png over File:Alan Walker visits Spangdahlem.jpg? If you want to swap it, we should add "(pictured)" to the hook (as well as fixing the image caption). I also think we could possibly make the hook a bit more concise and still retain the point of it ("that milestone" is possibly redundant). Does the following work?
ALT: "... that in December 2018, Alan Walker(pictured) became the first Nordic [artist/musician/whatever to appease clarity/WP:V issue] to have their YouTube channel surpass 20 million subscribers"?
Obviously the ALT hinges on the clarity issues. The article's great though, and it's not going to take much clarification to nudge this across the line. MIDI (talk) 08:59, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I think the caption need only be Walker's name (so that the image is easily paired up with the hook when it's on DYK), but that might be something that's dealt with on promotion (if the image is selected, too). What do you think of my previous concern about Walker being the first artist with 20 million subs, but others (non-'artists') having done so before him? Is this a legitimate concern, or is the hook sufficiently clear that by 'artist' we mean a practitioner of the arts rather than a content creator?
Perhaps a third opinion would be welcome here – though once I'm convinced (either way!) I am happy this hook is ready to go! MIDI (talk) 13:01, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"... that in December 2018, DJ Alan Walker(pictured) became the first Nordic artist to have their YouTube channel surpass 20 million subscribers?
I feel that adding "DJ" implies what is meant by "artist", and does so without rewording what the original source and the article says. Happy to use a different descriptor, but think that this general wording works better.MIDI (talk) 19:14, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a review, but are you open to a different hook fact running instead? In recent times, DYK has been discouraging "first" hooks on sourcing and accuracy grounds. Even though his claim is probably easy to prove, some editors have become weary of such hooks in general that it may be safer to go with a backup option. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:23, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I wanted a hook that was less about the existence of the game itself and more about weird circumstances surrounding it, so I avoided adding an alt like "...that teenagers recreated Toontown Online?" or similar even though it seems like it'd be the most obvious option.
Created by Serilly (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
... that the architect of Chicago's 860–880 Lake Shore Drive nearly quit the project after his original floor plans were rejected? Source: Klages, Karen (January 11, 2009). "And the walls ... came tumbling down: How to eke out 2 bedrooms, 2 baths, 2 home offices, a dining room, library, living room and to-die-for kitchen in 1,600 square feet in the sky". Chicago Tribune. p. 7.1. "Mies intended the apartments to be elegantly Modern and open in plan (like little glass houses in the sky), a little-known fact that Koz and Susani turned up in their research on the building. Mies was overruled by other factions on the development team who insisted on more traditional interior plans, for fear the apartments would not sell. Aghast, Mies almost walked off the project."
ALT1: ... that it was difficult to obtain financing for Chicago's 860–880 Lake Shore Drive because the design was thought to be too extreme? Source: Handley, John (June 2, 2002). "Looking forward ; Is Chicago shifting into a modern mode?:". Chicago Tribune. p. 16.1 "Baird tried to arrange financing for the construction of the apartments, but was not successful because the architecture was too extreme"
ALT3: ... that the steel-and-glass facade of Chicago's 860–880 Lake Shore Drive, later widely imitated, was inspired by an unbuilt design for another building? Source: Schulze, Franz (1985). Mies Van Der Rohe: A Critical Biography. University of Chicago Press. pp. 239, 241; Ryan, Nancy (June 5, 1996). "Mies Towers Landmark Vote Near City Council Could Act by Next Monday". Chicago Tribune. p. 1. "he towers at 860-880 N. Lake Shore Drive were so influential they triggered years of construction of now all-too-familiar glass box apartment and office buildings around the world."
ALT4: ... that before designing Chicago's 860–880 Lake Shore Drive, its architect had been trying to build a steel-and-glass skyscraper for three decades? Source: Barry, Edward (April 26, 1968). "Mies' Space Age Striking in Institute". Chicago Tribune. p. B14.
Source: "In the 1960s, London County Council bought the remaining houses on the row but the owners of 41 Rotherhithe Street, barge constructors Braithwaite & Dean, refused to sell. The company employed lightermen - workers who used flat-bottomed barges to move goods between ships and quays - and they would pull up to collect their wages from the premises." from: "'Leaning tower of Rotherhithe' sells for £1.5m". BBC News. 3 March 2023. Retrieved 1 September 2025.
ALT1: ... that during the Second World War the Leaning tower of Rotherhithe survived a bombing that destroyed its neighbours to the west? Source: "To the west of the property, the buildings were destroyed during the Blitz in World War Two." from the same source
The article meets the newness and length requirements. I did not find any close paraphrasing. A full QPQ has been completed. The hooks are cited inline and verified in the sources; admittedly, the article uses a referencing that is atypical from what I am used to, but that is not an issue for DYK purposes.
My preferences are ALT1 and ALT2, but they both cannot be approved as currently written: ALT1 could be reworded to make it "hookier" or "exciting", if you know what I mean (i.e. the searching for the rum tunnel could be reworded somewhat). ALT2 is technically correct according to the source, but also inaccurate and also not directly stated in the article. The article does not exactly say that the demolition was "announced to attract potential buyers", at least not directly. It might be better to reword the hook as saying that, to attract buyers, they put out a notice claiming it would be demolished (even though they had no plans of doing so, and could not do it anyway). It would be more accurate to the source too. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:54, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Ed McCann chose a career in civil engineering after being dissuaded from other branches of engineering by their military applications?
Source: "McCann was 17 when he first decided to become a civil engineer and it was mostly the reuslt of conversations and a desire to not kill anyone .... I was sent off to a careers fair and there were three engineering stalls that I was drawn to ... I went to the electrical engineering one first and asked what the man at the stall did and he told me that he was designing missile guidance systems. So next I went to the mechanical engineering stall and asked what the man there was working on and he said he designed tank propulsion system, I felt like a theme was developing. I then moved onto the civil engineer ... and I asked him about his work and he told me that he worked on water supply schemes, roads and railways" from: "The Social Engineer". New Civil Engineer. December 2021. pp. 21–22.
ALT1: ... that Ed McCann said that five secrets from Chris Hoy helped him to design a fast track for the London 2012 velodrome? Source: "McCann cites the success of designing a fast track cycling venue as the result of a conversation with cyclist Chris Hoy who explained the five tricks to designing a record-breaking velodrome" from the same source
... that while a circus-inspired British school(pictured) was described as "eclectic and witty", its "plain functional" replacement won a RIBA award?
Source: Circus inspired; "eclectic and witty" (ISBN 9781849949606; "Burnham was one of a remarkable sequence of eclectic, witty and imaginative public buildings..."); "plain functional"; RIBA award.
Source: "It was those rooms where the first three accused of witchcraft in 1692 were held as prisoners: Tituba, Sarah Osborne and Sarah Good. “It went on to hold about 30 more people accused of witchcraft,” October said."
"While the home is included in Danvers’s Salem Village Historic District, those protections only extend to the outside of the property. Noting the home’s “rotting” exterior, a March report from the town’s Ad-Hoc Historic Preservation Study Committee found that previous bylaws offered no solution to save Ingersoll’s Ordinary from demolition by neglect. Danvers Town Meeting approved a new bylaw last spring to rectify the situation." Boston.com
... that a music critic once said that a piano piece was too difficult for a child to play, without knowing the composer Nina Milkina was 11 years old when she wrote it?
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The article was 5x expanded and is long enough. Source verifies hook. No copyvio detected. Hook is interesting and cited. I don't see any issues here. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:47, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
Myself, and I imagine I'm not alone, don't find hooks of the type '... that X worked at Y, when they did Z?' to be interesting. Is there nothing more interesting that can be said of the subject? TarnishedPathtalk 06:39, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
Long enough, and created near enough to the time of nomination, sources check out, no plagiarism. Approved.--3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 23:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
I just noticed that the winner has an article, so I'm going to add it to the nom using the QPQ Saskatchewan Highway Patrol using ALT1: ... that a recent Netflix competition won by 3Quency featured a posthumous appearance from a member of One Direction? and call for a reviewer for that article.--Launchballer 16:09, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- No, Dan Pashman was expanded from 127 words (or generously outside the 7 day from 83 words) to 291 words in the last 7 days. Not fivefold.
Not New Dan Pashman was not expanded fivefold with the 7 days time frame from 19 July. SquawkGuard (talk) 04:46, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
While it looks like there has been further expansion, some of it includes a bare URL, which is not allowed for DYK. When that's fixed, a new review will be needed because of the new material. Pinging nominator Thriley. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:09, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
Moved from WT:DYK § Queue 2 (next up)
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It's a good artistic topic which should naturally be run in a picture hook slot. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:30, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
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The nomination and article have multiple issues that need to be addressed before this can be approved. The most pressing right now is that no QPQ has been provided; the nomination will be closed within 24 hours if one is not given. Apart from the QPQ issue, there are also others: the source does not make it clear that the Essex International mentioned in the article is the same company as Superior Essex. The source to the "wiring products" claim is cited to a press release that is giving a 410 error; although a press release, if it was an uncontroversial claim, I'm willing to allow it. Otherwise, the article is new enough, long enough, and adequately sourced. It's a bit light on details especially regarding its failed release, but there's just enough of it to pass DYKCOMPLETE. ALT0 is too specialist and is thus rejected, while ALT1 is borderline; if this is approved, only ALT1 will remain for consideration. Also, while not exactly a disqualifying issue since it is not the bolded link, the article for Superior Essex has a big orange template at the top; one possible solution could be to remove Essex's name from the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:27, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
The nominator has made no edits to the article at all since the nomination, despite multiple pings and the above review. Given that, I am failing this, although the nomination may continue if another editor addresses the concerns. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:00, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
Thank you Viriditas, I need people like you IRL. Please give me some time to work on it, I will give feedback very soon. dxneo (talk) 22:49, 4 September 2025 (UTC)
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I can't access the source, but the ALT1 is interesting to me. The article seems to be in good shape (although its lede should be lengthened), the QPQ checks out, and there's no evidence of copyvio. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 17:57, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
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Doing... ミラP@Miraclepine 15:08, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
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